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this is somewhere in the skies with ryan

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somewhere in the skies and first of all

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i have to thank my co-host and our guest

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today i literally just ran from

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manhattan to make it home here to queens

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in time to do this and the new york

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subways are the worst so we didn't have

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a lot of time to um preamble and warm up

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with this but these both both of these

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people are pros so this is going to be a

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lot of fun it's gonna be super casual

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and um this is

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a really interesting conversation we're

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gonna be having this isn't just about

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ufos we're gonna dive deep into a lot of

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different phenomena tonight at a very

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uh i wouldn't say popular we know about

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utah for many reasons uh one of them

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being skinwalker ranch but tonight is

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not just about skinwalker ranch we're

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going to be talking about um all over

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utah specifically in the basin and a

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couple of the mesas but there has been a

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lot of chatter and talk lately about the

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research being done by our guest today

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you may know him from his youtube

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channel carl the crusher he's got a

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podcast carl vibe um carl andreson's

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going to be joining us tonight to talk

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all about the magic mesa this really

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mysterious mesa in utah that he has been

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investigating for some uh really strange

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phenomena that has been occurring there

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and has he possibly found answers to it

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we're going to talk about that tonight

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as well and it's possible connections to

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other places like skinwalker ranch so

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before we bring carl in i'm going to

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bring in our coast our co-host for

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tonight she is back finally my co-pilot

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we have chrissy newton what's up chrissy

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not much not much good to see you ryan i

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know it's been a while you've been all

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over the place i know you and carl were

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in um utah recently and uh you've just

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been bouncing all over i know you're out

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of canada right now we won't disclose

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where you are but um yeah how's

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everything been going and um how are you

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keeping up with all the latest ufo news

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oh my gosh there's so much ufo news but

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i like when there's a lot of ufo news

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good keeps us busy uh it's it's been

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good i'm like carl yeah i got to spend

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like a lot of time with carl and i get

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to know him got to know him really

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really well at the convention and just

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talking about the work that he's doing

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so i'm excited that we get to actually

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chat with him tonight so it's it's good

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to be back too thank you thank you it's

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good to have you back and again i was

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able to watch this presentation that

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carl gave at uh the disclosure event

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recently that you were also at and um it

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blew a lot of people away again this is

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new new stuff out there uh that no one's

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ever really looked at or investigated

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highly highly impressed with the

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research that carl did you know this

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wasn't about you know being all

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mysterious and um and cagey and uh

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shadowy he wanted to find answers to

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something going on in a mesa there in

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utah and he possibly

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did and we're going to talk all about it

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tonight we're going to take a look at

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some of the content about the mesa that

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he's brought forward so what do you say

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should we bring him in that sounds good

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yes let's do it let's get into it yeah

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finally carl welcome to somewhere in the

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hey what's up guys

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not not much man except for um you know

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this mesa just driving everybody nuts

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so um let's go let's start at the

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beginning i guess it's always the best

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way to do this um for any of our viewers

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here at summer in the skies or listeners

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who are not familiar with you and your

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work um yeah could you tell chrissy and

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i a little about what got you into all

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this strange stuff not just in utah but

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um you know ufos the paranormal and in

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general what got you into all this

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what's your peter parker story

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that's a good question uh it starts

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for me a lot growing up really i grew up

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with a really interesting dad who

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retired from the military and then just

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kind of had a very

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normal uh simple life and

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but we found out later after he passed

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away that he had

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um this thing called cosmic clearance

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which is like a nato clearance and he

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was over right on the border of western

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east germany right at the beginning of

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the cold war era and all that stuff at

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the end of world war ii and he was

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always very interesting and way into

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movies about ufos and science fiction

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stuff and always talking about it asking

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interesting philosophical questions

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about extraterrestrials and and things

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like that so i always grew up with an

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open mind but i also

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grew up with a lot of

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and like out of body type

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experiences where i saw

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what i would consider things in my

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bedroom and outside my window and stuff

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so i grew up uh with some interesting

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questions that i had you know so that as

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i got older i guess

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you know i had one experience up camping

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probably i think it was eight years ago

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now eight nine years ago where i was

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just on a film project with a crew

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and had kind of a paranormal encounter

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up in the woods

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that was very fascinating where we saw

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this big shadow figure move through the

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trees and then an orb of light fly

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overhead

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and that that kind of freaked me out and

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i got kind of out of it for a while

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because i i i didn't even want to go

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camping or anything for like a year

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a divorce and went on my own and so

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instead of doing a bunch of family

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content on my youtube channel like i had

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been doing i was like i want to go solo

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and do my own thing

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so i got really into this idea that

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there's all these ancient locations and

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petroglyphs around where i live uh

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from the grand canyon all the way over

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to area 51 to levlock cave where there's

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myths about giants and stuff buried in

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there and all the way up to skinwalker

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ranch in the uintah basin i realized i

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was surrounded with this whole

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area that was full of stuff and so i

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thought why don't i go hiking and check

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it out and i can do this for a living on

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my youtube channel and

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i think i kind of bit off

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more than i realize because

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now it's sort of consumed my life and i

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have a you know a whole new group of

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friends and do a lot of research and

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i've had a whole new set of

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kind of uh life-altering experiences and

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including the the mesa and trying to

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figure that out has been a real

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yeah yeah i know and i know everyone

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wants to get right to the mesa i do too

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um but i think it'd be cool if we

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actually started with um

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with these petroglyphs and stuff that

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you found now like you mentioned i know

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have these sorts of things i was in

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arizona not too long ago where i was

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able to go up into one of the mountain

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ranges in phoenix with a zuni tri

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builder and see some of these

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petroglyphs and they blew me away man

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and a lot of what you've seen is similar

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to a lot of the things

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i have seen so you truly have to wonder

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you know are these different

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seeing the same things and etching these

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same things into these uh mesas or these

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rocks or these mountains you truly do

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i i think we can play this while we're

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still talking um some of the footage

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that you got of some of these

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petroglyphs and um yeah if you want you

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can walk us through what we're looking

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yeah so these are right behind my house

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these ones are looking at right now

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these ones behind my house are probably

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the ones that are the most normal

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meaning like depictions of normal daily

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life mm-hmm

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here pause it right here ryan real quick

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this is actually the mesa so i'm

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pointing at the oh itself so these are

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right near it okay okay those are horned

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figures across the valley up on the

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cliff side on the opposite side

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wow so that's pretty cool and there's a

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bunch of that that get more elaborate up

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the cliff side so yeah let's see what

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else i have here i didn't cut too much

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oh this is one of the artifacts you

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found too right

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yeah i honestly wonder it's hard to tell

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on the camera but it looks like a piece

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of moldavite

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it could there's lots of flint napping

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it could be that but it looks like a

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little piece of moldavite almost only

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that it's not green it's like a white

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creamy white color

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interesting multiplayer is like volcanic

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or like a glass that comes off of a

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meteorite impact

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okay okay it's not experienced

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basin and you went to basin that there

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is there was a meteorite

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that hit i don't know when if carl if

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you know the date on that but they talk

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about that uh with blind frog branch

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allegedly as well

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yeah there's a lot of i'm not sure on

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the date range either uh how long ago it

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or if it had to do with like bonneville

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lake uh being full and then suddenly

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draining and having to do with an impact

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or something up there but yeah moldavite

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glass somebody that knows more could

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tell me if they look at the picture

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closer but it what it is is it's like

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sand that gets hit

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really close to the impact of the

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and then it gets thrown up into the

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clouds and then turns into glass as it

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cools off and then falls back down

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almost like glitter onto the onto the

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and then like millions of years later

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you go pick it up in little

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pieces and stuff but and there's a lot

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of like folklore around it being like

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bad luck to take it unless somebody like

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gives it to you as a gift and stuff

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right yeah that reminds me so much of

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like you're not supposed to take

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anything from uh the islands of hawaii

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too like you take volcanic rock and pele

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the goddess is gonna definitely follow

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you home and you don't want to do that

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so yeah that is interesting the folklore

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and the tales that are told of do not

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disturb the area and i know that was

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kind of a big challenge for you

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and why we're not going to say

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specifically where this this mesa is

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because of the land it's on and the

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respect that you've paid to that and the

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owners of the where the mesa is um so

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yeah maybe tell us a little about that

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if you don't mind you don't have to give

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us obviously the specific location of

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where your research is being done but

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this is in utah correct

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yeah it's in southern utah uh kind of

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near nevada i live just right on the

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border of arizona and southern utah

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kind of two hours from area 51 and two

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hours from the grand canyon kind of

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right in that sweet spot

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surrounded by a bunch of cool stuff and

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uh yeah so i get to go over there all

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the time there's a lot of cool stuff in

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the whole area from

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where i live all the way to where the

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mace is at and

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and beyond there's a lot of you could

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drive and i could take you from spot to

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spot to spot and like it's fascinating

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what you find but um

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you know kind of

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like why i want to protect the areas

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because there is

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tons and tons of ancient artifacts and

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petroglyphs uh pottery arrowheads all

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over the ground and so i mostly want to

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protect it for that and

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you know i wouldn't want a lot of people

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going and just picking it up as

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souvenirs all over the place but also

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i'm still researching it because

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although i have kind of uh with the help

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of everybody

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on patreon supporting so i could afford

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to go do the research but also

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uh having being able to have people come

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and help me and bring better equipment

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help me answer a lot of questions there

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uh that the family that's been

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experiencing phenomena there's been

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wondering about for like over a decade

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you

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know so there's been a family that's

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been seeing these lights on the hillside

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at this mesa

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appearing in different geometric shapes

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and almost interacting with them and

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acting very strange and paranormal and

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this has been going on for like over 10

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years and they couldn't figure it out

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using spotlights and headlights hiking

347
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up on the mesa hiking around

348
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looking for cars and headlights nobody

349
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could figure any solution

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to it at all or debunk it

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and so they were you know hearing stuff

352
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this new show like skinwalker ranch

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comes on

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and there's right in the intro of the tv

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show they show the mesa light up with

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this fluorescent light you know yeah

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and so the family they saw my work on

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youtube doing research up in the area

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they saw that i was actually having

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experiences

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near the petroglyphs and so they

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contacted me and asked me to help them

363
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figure out what was going on and start

364
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looking into it

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and so that's what we did and in the

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beginning

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it was like it's mind-blowing and not

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only the lights on the mesa but the

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amplified coincidence events that

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happened and that occur so like

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the the whole valley seems to be almost

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like interactive and responsive

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and this idea of like protecting the

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valley

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is there's another reason for that it's

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because there is

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stories and evidence of people coming in

378
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disturbing it and trying to do

379
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kind of like modern

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touristy things in the valley associated

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with the petroglyphs

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and the people that have like poured

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concrete and disturbed the land and done

384
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stuff they like

385
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died of heart attacks and weird stuff

386
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and even people that i have taken

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to those spots where those areas have

388
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been disturbed i've had people get very

389
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sick and get bloody noses and

390
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and get sick and want to leave and i

391
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have to take them out of there and weird

392
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stuff happens

393
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and so it's not just the lights on the

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hill it's the whole

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valley and the energy there is very

396
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strange um yeah sounds a lot like

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skinwalker ranch we hear these stories

398
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about radiation poisoning and people

399
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just all of a sudden dropping and we're

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seeing it play out on their television

401
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show

402
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as well um that is very fascinating to

403
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me that there seems to be a correlation

404
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with a lot of these places in utah in

405
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the same

406
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uh physiological effects or um sometimes

407
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even emotional effects on people you

408
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know i remember speaking to a native

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american in utah who

410
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just walked into like

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four feet from where he was before and

412
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he just started bawling his eyes out and

413
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he couldn't explain why

414
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and we do hear that in in a lot of these

415
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different phenomenological things as

416
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well so yeah very very interesting yeah

417
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all of you into basin is just there's a

418
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lot of paranormal activity because it's

419
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massive it's not just a skinwalker ranch

420
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and blind frog ranch you know when i

421
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might make a micah hanks and i were

422
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there for about 10 days and we were

423
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researching and talking to locals

424
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and their experiences and for them it's

425
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you know it's it's everywhere the

426
00:15:46,150 --> 00:15:44,399
phenomenon's just not in within

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skinwalker so i think it's important for

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people to know that the unt basin is

429
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just it's rich of all different things

430
00:15:54,790 --> 00:15:52,480
there's also a lot of health concerns in

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the united basin as well like there's

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people getting migraines you know kids

433
00:16:00,949 --> 00:15:58,959
getting migraines mass amounts of tumors

434
00:16:02,870 --> 00:16:00,959
there's lots of things happening and

435
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that also could be from you know the

436
00:16:07,670 --> 00:16:05,120
nuclear fallout from the 1950s when it

437
00:16:09,350 --> 00:16:07,680
came over from nevada and came uh went

438
00:16:11,509 --> 00:16:09,360
towards the uinta basin so that could

439
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radiation mode are still splitting from

440
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nuclear testing

441
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then so it's it's really wild um and the

442
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mesa i know like they always say in uh

443
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skinwalker that they that dr travis

444
00:16:23,990 --> 00:16:22,399
taylor was trying to figure that out so

445
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i'm really excited to hear what you have

446
00:16:28,710 --> 00:16:26,240
to say carl and if you've talked to dr

447
00:16:30,310 --> 00:16:28,720
travis taylor about your findings um

448
00:16:31,749 --> 00:16:30,320
because he's been trying to find it for

449
00:16:33,590 --> 00:16:31,759
so long he's been trying to research

450
00:16:36,230 --> 00:16:33,600
this for so long as well because what

451
00:16:38,550 --> 00:16:36,240
you saw is exactly what he has seen in

452
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the show as well as showing us the show

453
00:16:42,629 --> 00:16:40,720
why don't we um should we show it

454
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christine yeah you guys might yeah i

455
00:16:46,790 --> 00:16:45,600
think let's yeah for any of our viewers

456
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watching this on youtube we're going to

457
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show some of the footage of the

458
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phenomenon on the mesa which again

459
00:16:55,590 --> 00:16:52,720
first time i saw this it was just

460
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stunning i i got chills um and clearly

461
00:17:00,150 --> 00:16:57,360
so did carl you could hear it in his

462
00:17:02,150 --> 00:17:00,160
voice so let's go ahead and uh we'll

463
00:17:05,350 --> 00:17:02,160
pull that up here for you guys to watch

464
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test here's the black light

465
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wow you can see the wrong one sorry

466
00:17:12,230 --> 00:17:09,839
where is it

467
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this is the black light

468
00:17:15,429 --> 00:17:14,559
oh did i i missed it here hold on guys i

469
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got it

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okay welcome to live

471
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the black light still the video still

472
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shows the phenomenon it does skip just a

473
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little bit here we go all right yup no

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you're right carl uh let's do this

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da

476
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you could tell how unprepared i am

477
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gotta look there it is yeah there we go

478
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it's like there's a fire in there or

479
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something it's going up see it going up

480
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yep oh yeah that's great

481
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your laser was perfectly on it

482
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that is crazy

483
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to the right like it looks like it's on

484
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fire on the right side it looks like

485
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it's got like a defined edge right here

486
00:18:20,470 --> 00:18:18,070
look at it

487
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holy cow

488
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it's coming down the mesa look at it

489
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and

490
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the whole mesa is lit up

491
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you see it on camera yeah yeah that is

492
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crazy oh things lit up it's like an

493
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iridescent glow

494
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gone

495
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oh there were shadows going across it

496
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dang okay

497
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so

498
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it is beautiful though it really is

499
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beautiful it is something to see i wish

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i wish i saw that when i was in utah to

501
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be honest

502
00:19:05,830 --> 00:19:04,480
if i missed that apparently this thing

503
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is amazing

504
00:19:10,070 --> 00:19:07,840
are we at the edge

505
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yeah it's totally repeatable and it was

506
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happening

507
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on a continual basis and that was

508
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eventually part of what became the

509
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giveaway for me

510
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it was the repeatability of it and the

511
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dependability of it became something

512
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that was like okay

513
00:19:26,150 --> 00:19:24,799
i can narrow in on this you know and

514
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then it was like

515
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scooby-doo time

516
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you know

517
00:19:34,390 --> 00:19:31,520
i guess who wouldn't when he took off

518
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we'll get there to continue yeah um

519
00:19:41,669 --> 00:19:39,440
what who were you with when this went

520
00:19:43,590 --> 00:19:41,679
down carl would you mind uh maybe

521
00:19:45,909 --> 00:19:43,600
filling us in on who your investigative

522
00:19:47,750 --> 00:19:45,919
team was and uh what was going through

523
00:19:50,230 --> 00:19:47,760
your heads when you guys first saw this

524
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i mean did you have any theories

525
00:19:53,990 --> 00:19:51,840
immediately as you were watching it or

526
00:19:54,950 --> 00:19:54,000
was it more like holy this is

527
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happening

528
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yeah and it was a mix of both so in the

529
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beginning i went to go alone and then i

530
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i thought okay this is a bad idea i

531
00:20:05,750 --> 00:20:04,080
don't want to go like by myself because

532
00:20:07,510 --> 00:20:05,760
the family you know has been

533
00:20:10,149 --> 00:20:07,520
experiencing it there

534
00:20:12,549 --> 00:20:10,159
uh on the mesa and they told me

535
00:20:15,190 --> 00:20:12,559
stories about you know shadow figures

536
00:20:18,390 --> 00:20:15,200
they saw like a herd of like ghost

537
00:20:20,870 --> 00:20:18,400
buffalo run past them basically like

538
00:20:23,430 --> 00:20:20,880
uh and seen shapes move around you know

539
00:20:26,070 --> 00:20:23,440
on the hillside ufos in the sky all

540
00:20:27,669 --> 00:20:26,080
kinds of stuff and so i go to this gas

541
00:20:30,390 --> 00:20:27,679
station nearby

542
00:20:32,789 --> 00:20:30,400
and decided to message a buddy who also

543
00:20:34,470 --> 00:20:32,799
does similar research but he doesn't

544
00:20:36,549 --> 00:20:34,480
ever want to reveal his identity he does

545
00:20:39,430 --> 00:20:36,559
a lot of other work on the side that he

546
00:20:41,350 --> 00:20:39,440
has to keep private so i messaged him

547
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and he just happened to be

548
00:20:44,390 --> 00:20:43,200
in the parking lot at the same gas

549
00:20:46,310 --> 00:20:44,400
station

550
00:20:48,230 --> 00:20:46,320
uh where i was at and he was like no way

551
00:20:50,070 --> 00:20:48,240
i'm like outside in the parking lot so i

552
00:20:51,909 --> 00:20:50,080
went out and i was like dude just come

553
00:20:53,190 --> 00:20:51,919
with me so he actually went with me that

554
00:20:54,549 --> 00:20:53,200
first night

555
00:20:56,470 --> 00:20:54,559
and then when i went there the

556
00:20:58,630 --> 00:20:56,480
maintenance guy who

557
00:21:01,029 --> 00:20:58,640
was there that showed up to open the

558
00:21:03,270 --> 00:21:01,039
gate um he was like so what are you guys

559
00:21:04,630 --> 00:21:03,280
doing and uh so i just told him i was

560
00:21:07,190 --> 00:21:04,640
like we're here doing paranormal

561
00:21:08,549 --> 00:21:07,200
investigating looking for ufos

562
00:21:09,590 --> 00:21:08,559
there's all these strange things and

563
00:21:15,909 --> 00:21:09,600
he's like

564
00:21:17,990 --> 00:21:15,919
stay and hang out and so i was like sure

565
00:21:19,750 --> 00:21:18,000
and so he was the other guy

566
00:21:21,990 --> 00:21:19,760
and he was there and just had his little

567
00:21:23,350 --> 00:21:22,000
dog with him so the first night it was

568
00:21:25,430 --> 00:21:23,360
the three of us

569
00:21:27,590 --> 00:21:25,440
and then after that

570
00:21:29,190 --> 00:21:27,600
i went back by myself probably four or

571
00:21:32,070 --> 00:21:29,200
five times alone

572
00:21:34,630 --> 00:21:32,080
and then i went back

573
00:21:37,110 --> 00:21:34,640
with charlie from blind frog ranch and

574
00:21:38,950 --> 00:21:37,120
spent like two days there and then

575
00:21:43,029 --> 00:21:38,960
i've gone back alone again i went back

576
00:21:45,110 --> 00:21:43,039
with my brother and then with uh

577
00:21:47,270 --> 00:21:45,120
another person who

578
00:21:50,230 --> 00:21:47,280
came with military grade

579
00:21:52,549 --> 00:21:50,240
equipment and then i can't say who he is

580
00:21:54,390 --> 00:21:52,559
but the two of us ended up solving a lot

581
00:21:55,669 --> 00:21:54,400
of it because of his equipment revealing

582
00:21:58,710 --> 00:21:55,679
a lot

583
00:22:01,510 --> 00:21:58,720
interesting yes interesting chrissy do

584
00:22:03,830 --> 00:22:01,520
you have any follow-ups to uh the mesa

585
00:22:06,470 --> 00:22:03,840
phenomena before we kind of look at some

586
00:22:08,149 --> 00:22:06,480
of the stuff carl uh was able to debunk

587
00:22:09,110 --> 00:22:08,159
some of the explanations people kind of

588
00:22:11,669 --> 00:22:09,120
threw out

589
00:22:13,590 --> 00:22:11,679
having not knowing anything about you

590
00:22:15,190 --> 00:22:13,600
know what he was doing um yeah any

591
00:22:16,870 --> 00:22:15,200
follow-ups to that

592
00:22:19,110 --> 00:22:16,880
after you kind of

593
00:22:20,950 --> 00:22:19,120
feel like you solved the mystery

594
00:22:22,950 --> 00:22:20,960
did you feel that your thoughts before

595
00:22:25,590 --> 00:22:22,960
were just not as correct as they were

596
00:22:27,029 --> 00:22:25,600
maybe now because i'm so curious to what

597
00:22:28,549 --> 00:22:27,039
mystery is

598
00:22:29,909 --> 00:22:28,559
yeah see there's a point where you you

599
00:22:31,029 --> 00:22:29,919
know you're just like oh man and then

600
00:22:33,029 --> 00:22:31,039
did it make you think about other

601
00:22:35,270 --> 00:22:33,039
phenomenon too in that area because

602
00:22:36,950 --> 00:22:35,280
there's obviously a lot going on and you

603
00:22:38,310 --> 00:22:36,960
know some of it could be true some of it

604
00:22:40,230 --> 00:22:38,320
could not be a lot of it could be

605
00:22:41,990 --> 00:22:40,240
folklore there's so much folklore if

606
00:22:43,029 --> 00:22:42,000
you've read skinwalkers at the pentagon

607
00:22:44,470 --> 00:22:43,039
or you've

608
00:22:46,390 --> 00:22:44,480
read that well of course that's to say

609
00:22:48,230 --> 00:22:46,400
the two books if you read both you'll

610
00:22:50,230 --> 00:22:48,240
know that there's a lot of conversations

611
00:22:52,549 --> 00:22:50,240
about sasquatch being there coming out

612
00:22:55,110 --> 00:22:52,559
of portals in skinwalker area like

613
00:22:56,390 --> 00:22:55,120
there's a lot of different tales and

614
00:22:57,669 --> 00:22:56,400
seeing if they're true or not so like

615
00:22:59,669 --> 00:22:57,679
what were your thoughts when you were

616
00:23:02,230 --> 00:22:59,679
like oh maybe i figured this out and

617
00:23:03,750 --> 00:23:02,240
then to kind of like where you were in

618
00:23:05,110 --> 00:23:03,760
your research and where you are now

619
00:23:07,270 --> 00:23:05,120
that's part of it that's super

620
00:23:08,470 --> 00:23:07,280
fascinating to me like you know chrissy

621
00:23:09,909 --> 00:23:08,480
when we were up there like when you're

622
00:23:11,909 --> 00:23:09,919
up in the basin

623
00:23:13,350 --> 00:23:11,919
there's another part of i don't know

624
00:23:15,750 --> 00:23:13,360
what you call it the phenomenon but

625
00:23:16,950 --> 00:23:15,760
there's a psychological aspect to it as

626
00:23:19,190 --> 00:23:16,960
well where

627
00:23:21,830 --> 00:23:19,200
chris bartel and i over

628
00:23:22,950 --> 00:23:21,840
many conversations and and stuff talking

629
00:23:25,029 --> 00:23:22,960
about this

630
00:23:27,750 --> 00:23:25,039
uh chris he was a

631
00:23:30,230 --> 00:23:27,760
security guy at skinwalker ranch during

632
00:23:32,789 --> 00:23:30,240
the whole uh bigelow era

633
00:23:34,549 --> 00:23:32,799
and he uh him and i we we started

634
00:23:36,549 --> 00:23:34,559
breaking a lot of the different levels

635
00:23:37,750 --> 00:23:36,559
of the phenomena down and what's real

636
00:23:39,510 --> 00:23:37,760
and what's not

637
00:23:41,669 --> 00:23:39,520
and we started we came up with this term

638
00:23:42,710 --> 00:23:41,679
we call skinwalker fever

639
00:23:44,310 --> 00:23:42,720
where

640
00:23:46,070 --> 00:23:44,320
there's a level of people you know when

641
00:23:48,310 --> 00:23:46,080
you go to conventions or when you go

642
00:23:51,029 --> 00:23:48,320
around certain areas where

643
00:23:53,269 --> 00:23:51,039
there's almost like a fever or a mindset

644
00:23:55,750 --> 00:23:53,279
a psychological mindset that can get a

645
00:23:57,750 --> 00:23:55,760
grip on a group of people that you can

646
00:23:59,350 --> 00:23:57,760
uh take part of it's almost like a

647
00:24:01,830 --> 00:23:59,360
belief system where

648
00:24:04,230 --> 00:24:01,840
every single dust particles like an orb

649
00:24:06,470 --> 00:24:04,240
and every twig snapping in the dark is a

650
00:24:08,870 --> 00:24:06,480
werewolf all of a sudden you know and

651
00:24:10,870 --> 00:24:08,880
your senses become really heightened and

652
00:24:12,789 --> 00:24:10,880
there becomes like a feedback loop of

653
00:24:13,990 --> 00:24:12,799
people around you who are kind of of the

654
00:24:15,029 --> 00:24:14,000
same

655
00:24:17,190 --> 00:24:15,039
bias

656
00:24:19,909 --> 00:24:17,200
toward the phenomena being real in a

657
00:24:21,990 --> 00:24:19,919
certain way and it will affect your

658
00:24:23,909 --> 00:24:22,000
results if you're trying to be

659
00:24:24,789 --> 00:24:23,919
credible so you can get

660
00:24:26,870 --> 00:24:24,799
uh

661
00:24:29,830 --> 00:24:26,880
sucked into the hype or sucked into your

662
00:24:32,549 --> 00:24:29,840
emotions you're sucked into a theory

663
00:24:35,029 --> 00:24:32,559
and then that can lead down conclusions

664
00:24:37,110 --> 00:24:35,039
that are really difficult for your ego

665
00:24:38,950 --> 00:24:37,120
to swallow when you finally reach them

666
00:24:40,630 --> 00:24:38,960
you know when they conflict with what

667
00:24:41,590 --> 00:24:40,640
you've been telling everybody or what

668
00:24:42,870 --> 00:24:41,600
you've been

669
00:24:44,950 --> 00:24:42,880
running around being like i don't know

670
00:24:46,630 --> 00:24:44,960
what this is or especially if you know

671
00:24:48,789 --> 00:24:46,640
people have been financially supporting

672
00:24:50,789 --> 00:24:48,799
you like i have a whole patreon page

673
00:24:53,190 --> 00:24:50,799
where people were helping me solve the

674
00:24:55,269 --> 00:24:53,200
mesa and do research there so when i

675
00:24:57,430 --> 00:24:55,279
solve it part of it in two months that's

676
00:24:59,750 --> 00:24:57,440
like part of the good news it shouldn't

677
00:25:01,350 --> 00:24:59,760
be part of the bad news right we're

678
00:25:02,789 --> 00:25:01,360
figuring it out so

679
00:25:04,789 --> 00:25:02,799
but yeah there is

680
00:25:06,390 --> 00:25:04,799
there is that mindset that can come over

681
00:25:07,909 --> 00:25:06,400
people and so

682
00:25:10,310 --> 00:25:07,919
being aware of that

683
00:25:12,630 --> 00:25:10,320
is fascinating but also

684
00:25:14,710 --> 00:25:12,640
i there's a part of it where i'm very

685
00:25:16,230 --> 00:25:14,720
interested in the man the

686
00:25:17,029 --> 00:25:16,240
meditation

687
00:25:20,310 --> 00:25:17,039
the

688
00:25:22,149 --> 00:25:20,320
remote viewing and manifestation side of

689
00:25:23,909 --> 00:25:22,159
the concept of the nature of reality

690
00:25:25,750 --> 00:25:23,919
that we don't understand

691
00:25:27,669 --> 00:25:25,760
that might be disrupted or different in

692
00:25:29,909 --> 00:25:27,679
some of these areas where

693
00:25:31,909 --> 00:25:29,919
what we perceive as like

694
00:25:34,390 --> 00:25:31,919
you know people losing their grip and

695
00:25:36,549 --> 00:25:34,400
everything seems a certain way

696
00:25:39,190 --> 00:25:36,559
is a part of the phenomenon and there is

697
00:25:42,070 --> 00:25:39,200
an interplay there that has to do with

698
00:25:44,230 --> 00:25:42,080
uh that has a side effect on the

699
00:25:46,470 --> 00:25:44,240
subconscious mind and which is it the

700
00:25:48,390 --> 00:25:46,480
chicken or the egg you know and so

701
00:25:50,710 --> 00:25:48,400
i'm really interested in all aspects of

702
00:25:52,630 --> 00:25:50,720
that and i'm willing to explore all of

703
00:25:54,870 --> 00:25:52,640
them i'm not i'm not afraid of it so

704
00:25:56,710 --> 00:25:54,880
it's it's really interesting to me the

705
00:25:59,430 --> 00:25:56,720
meditation thing is interesting because

706
00:26:02,070 --> 00:25:59,440
when uh they meditated on skinwalker and

707
00:26:03,990 --> 00:26:02,080
again i think this is all of the uinta

708
00:26:04,789 --> 00:26:04,000
basin it's i wouldn't just say it's just

709
00:26:07,110 --> 00:26:04,799
one

710
00:26:09,269 --> 00:26:07,120
area that this happens in but when they

711
00:26:11,269 --> 00:26:09,279
disturb the phenomenon

712
00:26:13,269 --> 00:26:11,279
when somebody meditated if you can read

713
00:26:14,950 --> 00:26:13,279
that in the first book colin kolohere

714
00:26:16,950 --> 00:26:14,960
speaks about that he actually asked

715
00:26:18,950 --> 00:26:16,960
somebody that somebody asked to come on

716
00:26:20,630 --> 00:26:18,960
to the ranch and to meditate and when he

717
00:26:21,990 --> 00:26:20,640
did it

718
00:26:23,669 --> 00:26:22,000
like the phenomenon just started to

719
00:26:25,029 --> 00:26:23,679
happen even more

720
00:26:26,710 --> 00:26:25,039
and then almost in a way of like you

721
00:26:29,350 --> 00:26:26,720
know less of the words attacked the

722
00:26:31,590 --> 00:26:29,360
person that was meditating so i'm

723
00:26:34,310 --> 00:26:31,600
curious to see when you do meditation

724
00:26:36,549 --> 00:26:34,320
within the you went to basin in general

725
00:26:38,710 --> 00:26:36,559
what reacts to it uh because again i

726
00:26:40,149 --> 00:26:38,720
don't think it's just geography it's

727
00:26:41,909 --> 00:26:40,159
just based in one section for the

728
00:26:44,149 --> 00:26:41,919
phenomenon i think it's the whole it's

729
00:26:46,070 --> 00:26:44,159
the whole area um you know it doesn't

730
00:26:48,390 --> 00:26:46,080
have like these parameters it has to sit

731
00:26:50,310 --> 00:26:48,400
in right so i'd be curious i'd like to

732
00:26:52,149 --> 00:26:50,320
keep us up to date with that please yeah

733
00:26:54,789 --> 00:26:52,159
yeah that's something ongoing that i do

734
00:26:57,350 --> 00:26:54,799
and it's kind of the core of what led me

735
00:26:59,110 --> 00:26:57,360
along the path of the the mesa and

736
00:27:01,830 --> 00:26:59,120
around up around skinwalker ranch and

737
00:27:04,390 --> 00:27:01,840
all of that is this idea of like these

738
00:27:07,269 --> 00:27:04,400
petroglyph areas and maybe even the

739
00:27:09,269 --> 00:27:07,279
symbols of the petroglyphs or the

740
00:27:11,750 --> 00:27:09,279
geology itself

741
00:27:14,470 --> 00:27:11,760
has something to do with this resonant

742
00:27:16,549 --> 00:27:14,480
frequency or vibrational harmony that's

743
00:27:18,870 --> 00:27:16,559
very similar to what's used in a lot of

744
00:27:21,669 --> 00:27:18,880
these secret programs like

745
00:27:24,070 --> 00:27:21,679
binaural audio tunes and hemisync stuff

746
00:27:27,269 --> 00:27:24,080
that affects your consciousness for

747
00:27:29,110 --> 00:27:27,279
meditation remote viewing or telepathy i

748
00:27:31,750 --> 00:27:29,120
almost wondered if going into some of

749
00:27:33,269 --> 00:27:31,760
these canyons or ancient valleys where

750
00:27:35,430 --> 00:27:33,279
they were doing these rituals or

751
00:27:37,909 --> 00:27:35,440
ceremonies at these petroglyph sites was

752
00:27:40,230 --> 00:27:37,919
part of an ancient way of tapping into

753
00:27:42,789 --> 00:27:40,240
the subconscious potential of

754
00:27:45,350 --> 00:27:42,799
humanity and what they were doing

755
00:27:47,990 --> 00:27:45,360
and maybe contacting other entities or

756
00:27:50,870 --> 00:27:48,000
other dimensions of reality or other

757
00:27:52,710 --> 00:27:50,880
tribes over long distances who knows

758
00:27:54,470 --> 00:27:52,720
having all kinds of altered

759
00:27:56,630 --> 00:27:54,480
consciousness experiences that you can

760
00:27:58,230 --> 00:27:56,640
have and then carving them on the rocks

761
00:27:59,990 --> 00:27:58,240
but all of that's really fascinating to

762
00:28:02,149 --> 00:28:00,000
me so that's kind of what i've been

763
00:28:04,870 --> 00:28:02,159
doing is going to these spots and

764
00:28:07,110 --> 00:28:04,880
meditating at these locations and

765
00:28:08,950 --> 00:28:07,120
looking for clues and trying to see

766
00:28:11,430 --> 00:28:08,960
where they point but also taking up like

767
00:28:13,110 --> 00:28:11,440
a tri-filled meter and radiation

768
00:28:15,110 --> 00:28:13,120
detector and trying to see if i can

769
00:28:17,029 --> 00:28:15,120
actually gather evidence with a and

770
00:28:19,269 --> 00:28:17,039
capture something on night vision and do

771
00:28:21,190 --> 00:28:19,279
paranormal stuff as well so it's just

772
00:28:23,269 --> 00:28:21,200
been kind of a cool opportunity to look

773
00:28:25,350 --> 00:28:23,279
at all of it and then also look up in

774
00:28:27,430 --> 00:28:25,360
the sky and see if there's anything

775
00:28:29,430 --> 00:28:27,440
flying around associated with it because

776
00:28:31,590 --> 00:28:29,440
yeah it seems like it's all connected or

777
00:28:33,350 --> 00:28:31,600
or there's something about

778
00:28:34,710 --> 00:28:33,360
the government's secret programs that

779
00:28:36,070 --> 00:28:34,720
that wants us to think it's all

780
00:28:38,789 --> 00:28:36,080
connected and i don't know which is

781
00:28:42,070 --> 00:28:38,799
which which up from down left for i know

782
00:28:44,149 --> 00:28:42,080
man well um you know when you first uh

783
00:28:46,549 --> 00:28:44,159
released the first video obviously

784
00:28:50,710 --> 00:28:46,559
everyone looked at it and they were

785
00:28:53,430 --> 00:28:50,720
amazed and then some people immediately

786
00:28:56,230 --> 00:28:53,440
went at you with oh it's like it's

787
00:28:58,389 --> 00:28:56,240
headlights clearly like we're not idiots

788
00:29:00,710 --> 00:28:58,399
here carl we know that's headlights so

789
00:29:03,110 --> 00:29:00,720
what do you do you go back and you

790
00:29:05,510 --> 00:29:03,120
literally prove that it's not and i'd

791
00:29:07,909 --> 00:29:05,520
love to show a little bit of that here

792
00:29:10,389 --> 00:29:07,919
if you don't mind of your debunking of

793
00:29:13,430 --> 00:29:10,399
the headlights mesa and glowing on it

794
00:29:15,990 --> 00:29:13,440
itself that's my truck headlights

795
00:29:18,389 --> 00:29:16,000
through the night vision

796
00:29:20,230 --> 00:29:18,399
right there

797
00:29:25,990 --> 00:29:20,240
okay so that's what that looks like let

798
00:29:28,149 --> 00:29:27,029
yeah this is going to be really

799
00:29:42,630 --> 00:29:28,159
interesting

800
00:29:47,750 --> 00:29:44,870
because here i'm about i'd say

801
00:29:49,350 --> 00:29:47,760
300 yards away from the mesa

802
00:29:51,269 --> 00:29:49,360
okay

803
00:29:53,269 --> 00:29:51,279
ah

804
00:29:58,470 --> 00:29:53,279
there it is look see

805
00:30:02,310 --> 00:30:00,630
it's totally different look i got the

806
00:30:03,110 --> 00:30:02,320
proof right there it's not headlights i

807
00:30:04,870 --> 00:30:03,120
just

808
00:30:07,029 --> 00:30:04,880
shine that truck headlights right on it

809
00:30:09,110 --> 00:30:07,039
and it doesn't do that so weird right

810
00:30:10,230 --> 00:30:09,120
in the world they're wild

811
00:30:12,310 --> 00:30:10,240
wow

812
00:30:15,750 --> 00:30:12,320
look

813
00:30:19,350 --> 00:30:15,760
i can see that with my own eyes

814
00:30:23,430 --> 00:30:20,950
carl i'm gonna pause it right here what

815
00:30:25,590 --> 00:30:23,440
color was the actual phenomenon because

816
00:30:28,070 --> 00:30:25,600
here we're seeing you know one like a

817
00:30:29,990 --> 00:30:28,080
it's more like a white color so people

818
00:30:31,590 --> 00:30:30,000
are probably wondering what camera it is

819
00:30:33,990 --> 00:30:31,600
it's this uh

820
00:30:37,669 --> 00:30:34,000
psionics aurora

821
00:30:39,510 --> 00:30:37,679
black night vision it's a 720p

822
00:30:42,149 --> 00:30:39,520
night vision camera i just got off of

823
00:30:44,710 --> 00:30:42,159
amazon uh that's the one it's a really

824
00:30:46,710 --> 00:30:44,720
good night vision camera but it

825
00:30:48,230 --> 00:30:46,720
ultimately doesn't have like

826
00:30:51,029 --> 00:30:48,240
like the crispest

827
00:30:53,830 --> 00:30:51,039
resolution that's just the 720p

828
00:30:55,510 --> 00:30:53,840
uh frames but it's more

829
00:30:58,310 --> 00:30:55,520
more of like a white

830
00:30:59,750 --> 00:30:58,320
uh translucent color with like a

831
00:31:02,149 --> 00:30:59,760
holographic

832
00:31:03,909 --> 00:31:02,159
glowing effects to it it looks more like

833
00:31:05,430 --> 00:31:03,919
the northern lights when you see it like

834
00:31:07,509 --> 00:31:05,440
it's raised and

835
00:31:09,269 --> 00:31:07,519
glowing above the mesa

836
00:31:11,110 --> 00:31:09,279
compared to like headlights up close

837
00:31:12,789 --> 00:31:11,120
like that right that don't that don't do

838
00:31:14,630 --> 00:31:12,799
anything you know

839
00:31:16,549 --> 00:31:14,640
could you film it without the nike with

840
00:31:18,070 --> 00:31:16,559
the without the night vision were you

841
00:31:20,389 --> 00:31:18,080
able to film it just like with the

842
00:31:22,549 --> 00:31:20,399
handycam and be able to capture like

843
00:31:23,909 --> 00:31:22,559
that white instead of like the night

844
00:31:26,230 --> 00:31:23,919
vision would you be able to use just

845
00:31:28,549 --> 00:31:26,240
like your iphone to capture that as well

846
00:31:31,110 --> 00:31:28,559
i tried and tried yeah i tried with my

847
00:31:33,590 --> 00:31:31,120
cell phone i tried with other cameras uh

848
00:31:35,909 --> 00:31:33,600
even with a black light and the cell

849
00:31:36,710 --> 00:31:35,919
phone multiple times

850
00:31:37,669 --> 00:31:36,720
uh

851
00:31:40,470 --> 00:31:37,679
and

852
00:31:42,230 --> 00:31:40,480
one of the the last night when i was

853
00:31:44,149 --> 00:31:42,240
really trying to do a lot of that ended

854
00:31:45,590 --> 00:31:44,159
up being the night when we had the

855
00:31:47,909 --> 00:31:45,600
high-powered night vision there the

856
00:31:49,669 --> 00:31:47,919
military grade stuff and ended up

857
00:31:51,509 --> 00:31:49,679
figuring it all out because then i was

858
00:31:53,750 --> 00:31:51,519
able to just put my phone right up to

859
00:31:56,070 --> 00:31:53,760
that and film through it straight up and

860
00:31:58,310 --> 00:31:56,080
then that revealed a lot more details

861
00:32:00,549 --> 00:31:58,320
and then we were able to backtrack stuff

862
00:32:02,630 --> 00:32:00,559
that we had already checked

863
00:32:03,430 --> 00:32:02,640
like three or four times and we went

864
00:32:05,590 --> 00:32:03,440
back

865
00:32:08,950 --> 00:32:05,600
and rechecked it and then finally

866
00:32:10,710 --> 00:32:08,960
figured some of it out not all of it but

867
00:32:12,070 --> 00:32:10,720
we'll get there guys we'll get there i

868
00:32:14,870 --> 00:32:12,080
know everyone just wants to know what

869
00:32:16,710 --> 00:32:14,880
the hell is that clearly um let's show

870
00:32:18,389 --> 00:32:16,720
this one you mentioned the black light

871
00:32:20,549 --> 00:32:18,399
so this is you shining a black light on

872
00:32:22,149 --> 00:32:20,559
the mesa it's going all the way you can

873
00:32:25,590 --> 00:32:22,159
see the bugs and everything flying

874
00:32:29,669 --> 00:32:27,909
so this clearly wasn't just one of you

875
00:32:31,909 --> 00:32:29,679
or your friends like shining a black

876
00:32:34,630 --> 00:32:31,919
light on the base geology on the map

877
00:32:37,029 --> 00:32:34,640
right itself

878
00:32:39,909 --> 00:32:37,039
no reflections

879
00:32:41,190 --> 00:32:39,919
no fluorescing lights

880
00:32:45,110 --> 00:32:41,200
it doesn't seem to have anything to do

881
00:32:50,710 --> 00:32:47,750
oh there it is coming down to mesa

882
00:32:51,830 --> 00:32:50,720
it's crazy every time i know i couldn't

883
00:32:56,149 --> 00:32:51,840
figure it out

884
00:33:00,710 --> 00:32:58,549
so it is repeatable guys this is a few

885
00:33:04,070 --> 00:33:00,720
nights later

886
00:33:06,389 --> 00:33:04,080
um oh my gosh it really is beautiful

887
00:33:07,190 --> 00:33:06,399
it is it's it is it's gorgeous and i

888
00:33:09,909 --> 00:33:07,200
mean

889
00:33:12,149 --> 00:33:09,919
i don't i almost don't care what it is

890
00:33:14,710 --> 00:33:12,159
you're being completely honest but um

891
00:33:17,509 --> 00:33:14,720
wow wow um whoops

892
00:33:19,990 --> 00:33:17,519
what am i doing here

893
00:33:21,990 --> 00:33:20,000
there you guys are there we go again the

894
00:33:25,509 --> 00:33:22,000
beauty of live streams um

895
00:33:27,590 --> 00:33:25,519
so i guess to go from there you know

896
00:33:28,710 --> 00:33:27,600
these were some of the things that you

897
00:33:30,549 --> 00:33:28,720
were able to

898
00:33:33,029 --> 00:33:30,559
explain that this was not a black light

899
00:33:36,389 --> 00:33:33,039
on the mesa these were not uh these are

900
00:33:39,110 --> 00:33:36,399
not lights from any vehicle um

901
00:33:41,110 --> 00:33:39,120
so what were some of those other

902
00:33:43,430 --> 00:33:41,120
theories carl i know you mentioned you

903
00:33:44,950 --> 00:33:43,440
know you did some meditation and tried

904
00:33:47,269 --> 00:33:44,960
to tap into

905
00:33:50,389 --> 00:33:47,279
phenomena consciously or or

906
00:33:52,470 --> 00:33:50,399
subconsciously even um but

907
00:33:54,310 --> 00:33:52,480
what when you walked away after that

908
00:33:55,830 --> 00:33:54,320
first night of filming it and everything

909
00:33:57,669 --> 00:33:55,840
um were

910
00:33:58,789 --> 00:33:57,679
were there any theories being bumped

911
00:34:01,350 --> 00:33:58,799
around between you and your

912
00:34:03,990 --> 00:34:01,360
investigation partners on what it could

913
00:34:07,590 --> 00:34:04,000
be um you know maybe a prosaic

914
00:34:09,270 --> 00:34:07,600
explanation yeah the main one initially

915
00:34:11,270 --> 00:34:09,280
is like you're right like everybody's

916
00:34:13,669 --> 00:34:11,280
like it's got to be headlights and

917
00:34:15,109 --> 00:34:13,679
that's the initial reaction your head's

918
00:34:17,349 --> 00:34:15,119
whipping around and you're looking

919
00:34:19,909 --> 00:34:17,359
around for headlights and so you know we

920
00:34:23,109 --> 00:34:19,919
go up to the other side of the ravine

921
00:34:25,349 --> 00:34:23,119
turn around we watch all the vehicles we

922
00:34:26,710 --> 00:34:25,359
watch for hours and stay up and it does

923
00:34:28,790 --> 00:34:26,720
not seem

924
00:34:29,589 --> 00:34:28,800
correlated to headlights at all we even

925
00:34:31,589 --> 00:34:29,599
watch

926
00:34:33,510 --> 00:34:31,599
with the night vision it doesn't seem

927
00:34:36,149 --> 00:34:33,520
correlated i bring multiple people up

928
00:34:37,349 --> 00:34:36,159
there even with the airplanes and stuff

929
00:34:39,270 --> 00:34:37,359
flying over

930
00:34:41,589 --> 00:34:39,280
and satellites going over but that was

931
00:34:43,750 --> 00:34:41,599
all like the main theories then there

932
00:34:45,669 --> 00:34:43,760
was also like maybe it was some kind of

933
00:34:48,470 --> 00:34:45,679
you know satellite imagery and there was

934
00:34:51,109 --> 00:34:48,480
something about the night vision being

935
00:34:52,790 --> 00:34:51,119
able to pick up some kind of geological

936
00:34:55,109 --> 00:34:52,800
scanning that was going on but that

937
00:34:58,390 --> 00:34:55,119
didn't add up or make any kind of sense

938
00:35:00,550 --> 00:34:58,400
because it was so specific to this mesa

939
00:35:03,030 --> 00:35:00,560
it was like so targeted you know

940
00:35:05,670 --> 00:35:03,040
and here was the part that was

941
00:35:08,390 --> 00:35:05,680
the most difficult with all of it and

942
00:35:10,950 --> 00:35:08,400
and and still a mystery is the fact that

943
00:35:15,030 --> 00:35:10,960
the the petroglyphs themselves

944
00:35:17,910 --> 00:35:15,040
are so full of clues that seem to have

945
00:35:20,470 --> 00:35:17,920
spirals and characters that tell a story

946
00:35:22,950 --> 00:35:20,480
and they have actual arrows pointing off

947
00:35:23,990 --> 00:35:22,960
of some of them that seem to lead

948
00:35:26,470 --> 00:35:24,000
somewhere

949
00:35:28,790 --> 00:35:26,480
and ultimately because of the family and

950
00:35:31,349 --> 00:35:28,800
the lights on the mesa that was

951
00:35:33,270 --> 00:35:31,359
what it was believed to point to this is

952
00:35:35,510 --> 00:35:33,280
it you know this is where the phenomena

953
00:35:37,829 --> 00:35:35,520
is this must be what they're looking at

954
00:35:39,030 --> 00:35:37,839
everything seems to point to that

955
00:35:40,550 --> 00:35:39,040
most of all

956
00:35:43,270 --> 00:35:40,560
there's these

957
00:35:45,750 --> 00:35:43,280
uh ceremonial medicine wheels down in

958
00:35:47,589 --> 00:35:45,760
the valley and even one up on top of the

959
00:35:49,270 --> 00:35:47,599
mesa itself

960
00:35:51,670 --> 00:35:49,280
and the rituals that would be done

961
00:35:53,670 --> 00:35:51,680
around these ceremonial wheels

962
00:35:54,630 --> 00:35:53,680
specifically have to do with the north

963
00:35:57,430 --> 00:35:54,640
star

964
00:35:59,750 --> 00:35:57,440
and the big dipper and

965
00:36:02,230 --> 00:35:59,760
the whole movement of the solar system

966
00:36:04,950 --> 00:36:02,240
in the universe and space-time and

967
00:36:07,910 --> 00:36:04,960
opening portals into other dimensions of

968
00:36:09,750 --> 00:36:07,920
reality and these ceremonial wheels are

969
00:36:12,150 --> 00:36:09,760
real and there's one in the valley and

970
00:36:14,630 --> 00:36:12,160
one right on top of the mesa and

971
00:36:15,510 --> 00:36:14,640
everything lines up for these lights to

972
00:36:17,349 --> 00:36:15,520
occur

973
00:36:19,589 --> 00:36:17,359
but we still had this open mind like

974
00:36:21,030 --> 00:36:19,599
it's got to be something like headlights

975
00:36:22,710 --> 00:36:21,040
it could be

976
00:36:25,190 --> 00:36:22,720
one of the theories was that it could

977
00:36:28,550 --> 00:36:25,200
have to do with the geology maybe

978
00:36:30,630 --> 00:36:28,560
the uh crystals have of an evaporative

979
00:36:33,349 --> 00:36:30,640
uh crystal geology

980
00:36:35,829 --> 00:36:33,359
that makes like a quartz or a gypsum or

981
00:36:38,230 --> 00:36:35,839
something that under pressure could give

982
00:36:40,710 --> 00:36:38,240
off a glowing light or some kind of a

983
00:36:42,310 --> 00:36:40,720
sparking effect maybe there's old

984
00:36:45,670 --> 00:36:42,320
power lines or something under the

985
00:36:47,589 --> 00:36:45,680
ground that's arcing through the mesa

986
00:36:50,790 --> 00:36:47,599
who knows there could be something to do

987
00:36:52,710 --> 00:36:50,800
with meteors uh coming over and

988
00:36:54,390 --> 00:36:52,720
flashing off the rocks through the solar

989
00:36:57,030 --> 00:36:54,400
system some kind of

990
00:36:59,349 --> 00:36:57,040
new northern lights phenomena

991
00:37:00,950 --> 00:36:59,359
the theories and the the

992
00:37:02,790 --> 00:37:00,960
oral traditions from the native

993
00:37:05,030 --> 00:37:02,800
americans around

994
00:37:07,270 --> 00:37:05,040
say that there was an ancient shaman

995
00:37:10,150 --> 00:37:07,280
that came into the valley that stopped

996
00:37:11,589 --> 00:37:10,160
some kind of a disaster from occurring

997
00:37:14,150 --> 00:37:11,599
and then

998
00:37:16,630 --> 00:37:14,160
lived in the valley and some of them say

999
00:37:18,790 --> 00:37:16,640
that he lives inside the mesa and other

1000
00:37:22,790 --> 00:37:18,800
ones say that he died and was buried

1001
00:37:25,190 --> 00:37:22,800
inside the mesa so there's so much like

1002
00:37:26,710 --> 00:37:25,200
evidence pointing to this mesa having

1003
00:37:29,190 --> 00:37:26,720
something to do with it and then on top

1004
00:37:30,710 --> 00:37:29,200
of it as these lights and not only that

1005
00:37:31,990 --> 00:37:30,720
when we go there and when i would take

1006
00:37:35,030 --> 00:37:32,000
different groups we would have

1007
00:37:36,630 --> 00:37:35,040
experiences so we go down in the valley

1008
00:37:38,230 --> 00:37:36,640
now keep in mind something that we've

1009
00:37:41,190 --> 00:37:38,240
figured out and this is true for

1010
00:37:42,870 --> 00:37:41,200
skinwalker ranch and all up in the uinta

1011
00:37:44,630 --> 00:37:42,880
basin too is there's this native

1012
00:37:46,630 --> 00:37:44,640
american theme to all of these

1013
00:37:48,790 --> 00:37:46,640
supernatural experiences

1014
00:37:50,790 --> 00:37:48,800
that occur when people start talking

1015
00:37:52,790 --> 00:37:50,800
about paranormal

1016
00:37:55,670 --> 00:37:52,800
everything that has happened to me

1017
00:37:57,829 --> 00:37:55,680
has had this crux of the native american

1018
00:37:59,430 --> 00:37:57,839
backbone to it that's been undeniable

1019
00:38:02,150 --> 00:37:59,440
even the meditation

1020
00:38:04,390 --> 00:38:02,160
experiences that have kind of happened

1021
00:38:05,829 --> 00:38:04,400
but like we've been down by this uh

1022
00:38:09,349 --> 00:38:05,839
medicine wheel

1023
00:38:11,349 --> 00:38:09,359
and been there at night and then we

1024
00:38:13,349 --> 00:38:11,359
heard like what sounded like someone

1025
00:38:15,829 --> 00:38:13,359
whistling like you would call for a dog

1026
00:38:17,910 --> 00:38:15,839
or something and then we heard like a

1027
00:38:20,470 --> 00:38:17,920
horse run right past this and we all

1028
00:38:22,470 --> 00:38:20,480
heard it but nobody saw anything it was

1029
00:38:23,510 --> 00:38:22,480
like you know like a ghost horse running

1030
00:38:25,589 --> 00:38:23,520
by

1031
00:38:27,030 --> 00:38:25,599
and there's these amplified events that

1032
00:38:29,030 --> 00:38:27,040
happen where like

1033
00:38:30,630 --> 00:38:29,040
like right when my brother is like

1034
00:38:32,630 --> 00:38:30,640
you know it's actually really peaceful

1035
00:38:34,870 --> 00:38:32,640
down here like right as he's finishing

1036
00:38:36,630 --> 00:38:34,880
the sentence something like screams from

1037
00:38:38,630 --> 00:38:36,640
the bushes behind us like

1038
00:38:40,550 --> 00:38:38,640
like really loud and then you hear

1039
00:38:42,550 --> 00:38:40,560
something running around in the trees

1040
00:38:44,230 --> 00:38:42,560
and it like freaks everybody out and

1041
00:38:46,870 --> 00:38:44,240
that kind of stuff just like happens

1042
00:38:48,310 --> 00:38:46,880
like a ton down in there that is hard to

1043
00:38:50,470 --> 00:38:48,320
explain

1044
00:38:52,390 --> 00:38:50,480
but uh we're trying to figure it all out

1045
00:38:54,630 --> 00:38:52,400
there's still like a lot of weird

1046
00:38:56,310 --> 00:38:54,640
mysteries to it and so some of it had to

1047
00:38:58,150 --> 00:38:56,320
do with the native american stuff like

1048
00:38:59,589 --> 00:38:58,160
the lights having to do with

1049
00:39:02,069 --> 00:38:59,599
maybe a

1050
00:39:04,470 --> 00:39:02,079
residual energy from the the rituals

1051
00:39:06,390 --> 00:39:04,480
that were occurring in ancient times and

1052
00:39:07,430 --> 00:39:06,400
maybe that's the same at skinwalker

1053
00:39:09,670 --> 00:39:07,440
ranch

1054
00:39:12,950 --> 00:39:09,680
uh and i don't know maybe it could be a

1055
00:39:14,870 --> 00:39:12,960
dimensional opening like uh a wrinkle in

1056
00:39:17,510 --> 00:39:14,880
time where the future in the past kind

1057
00:39:19,829 --> 00:39:17,520
of unfolded into a pinched location and

1058
00:39:21,589 --> 00:39:19,839
this valley is one of those spots so

1059
00:39:23,750 --> 00:39:21,599
that was one of the theories it was all

1060
00:39:25,829 --> 00:39:23,760
over the place what could be going on

1061
00:39:28,710 --> 00:39:25,839
so uh yeah

1062
00:39:31,589 --> 00:39:28,720
you're muted right

1063
00:39:34,150 --> 00:39:31,599
thanks my man thank you so much um well

1064
00:39:35,589 --> 00:39:34,160
well as you were saying all that i i'm

1065
00:39:37,829 --> 00:39:35,599
thinking about

1066
00:39:39,190 --> 00:39:37,839
an experience i had and i'm just going

1067
00:39:40,870 --> 00:39:39,200
to go ahead and share it here i could

1068
00:39:42,630 --> 00:39:40,880
get in trouble but i don't care at this

1069
00:39:45,750 --> 00:39:42,640
point it's been a year and a half since

1070
00:39:47,670 --> 00:39:45,760
i did this investigation um

1071
00:39:49,670 --> 00:39:47,680
when you mentioned the

1072
00:39:51,430 --> 00:39:49,680
vortexes you know these things that you

1073
00:39:53,270 --> 00:39:51,440
found on the rocks that were literally

1074
00:39:55,910 --> 00:39:53,280
pointing towards the mesa

1075
00:39:59,430 --> 00:39:55,920
when i was traveling with the suny tribe

1076
00:40:01,270 --> 00:39:59,440
elder and we went to this area this mesa

1077
00:40:02,630 --> 00:40:01,280
as well um

1078
00:40:06,470 --> 00:40:02,640
where we saw

1079
00:40:08,390 --> 00:40:06,480
almost identical vortex petroglyphs

1080
00:40:11,030 --> 00:40:08,400
where were they pointing to

1081
00:40:13,030 --> 00:40:11,040
it was literally the mountain range

1082
00:40:15,030 --> 00:40:13,040
where the phoenix lights disappeared

1083
00:40:17,510 --> 00:40:15,040
into oh wow

1084
00:40:19,270 --> 00:40:17,520
and as you were telling me that i it

1085
00:40:21,430 --> 00:40:19,280
just gave me chills because i'm like

1086
00:40:23,349 --> 00:40:21,440
okay you have possibly these native

1087
00:40:25,270 --> 00:40:23,359
americans in utah

1088
00:40:27,109 --> 00:40:25,280
saying that these vortexes are a certain

1089
00:40:29,349 --> 00:40:27,119
thing that things come in and out of

1090
00:40:31,270 --> 00:40:29,359
that we communicate with

1091
00:40:34,150 --> 00:40:31,280
either other tribes or different

1092
00:40:36,630 --> 00:40:34,160
entities from elsewhere and then

1093
00:40:39,190 --> 00:40:36,640
i have a zuni tribe elder in another

1094
00:40:42,230 --> 00:40:39,200
state telling me the same thing that

1095
00:40:45,109 --> 00:40:42,240
these ufos are coming in and out

1096
00:40:47,270 --> 00:40:45,119
it just blows my mind there has to be

1097
00:40:49,270 --> 00:40:47,280
some sort of connection like you said

1098
00:40:52,550 --> 00:40:49,280
what is it how much do we make of those

1099
00:40:54,550 --> 00:40:52,560
connections only time will tell but um i

1100
00:40:55,990 --> 00:40:54,560
i had to share that because it was

1101
00:40:57,750 --> 00:40:56,000
strikingly similar to what you

1102
00:41:00,950 --> 00:40:57,760
experienced i think that's at the core

1103
00:41:02,950 --> 00:41:00,960
of it man to me i that's uh and how do i

1104
00:41:05,190 --> 00:41:02,960
back that up or prove it you know and i

1105
00:41:07,670 --> 00:41:05,200
try that's why i try to take devices and

1106
00:41:09,829 --> 00:41:07,680
everything in there everything from

1107
00:41:12,230 --> 00:41:09,839
you know buddhist meditation bowls that

1108
00:41:15,109 --> 00:41:12,240
i'll carry in my backpack to try and

1109
00:41:17,349 --> 00:41:15,119
test like the resident harmony of a

1110
00:41:19,190 --> 00:41:17,359
canyon i'll even do like

1111
00:41:20,950 --> 00:41:19,200
uh chanting or singing i'll take

1112
00:41:22,470 --> 00:41:20,960
portable speakers and play different

1113
00:41:24,309 --> 00:41:22,480
frequencies

1114
00:41:25,990 --> 00:41:24,319
and then different devices like a

1115
00:41:28,550 --> 00:41:26,000
tri-filled meter

1116
00:41:30,630 --> 00:41:28,560
radiation sensor different you know

1117
00:41:33,109 --> 00:41:30,640
paranormal ghost boxes and stuff like

1118
00:41:35,109 --> 00:41:33,119
that to try and look at all of it with

1119
00:41:37,030 --> 00:41:35,119
an open mind to see what i get and then

1120
00:41:38,630 --> 00:41:37,040
narrow in on it as people say well that

1121
00:41:40,710 --> 00:41:38,640
doesn't work that doesn't do that or

1122
00:41:41,670 --> 00:41:40,720
whatever then i just try to keep getting

1123
00:41:43,270 --> 00:41:41,680
closer

1124
00:41:44,870 --> 00:41:43,280
but among all that i'm also paying

1125
00:41:47,030 --> 00:41:44,880
attention to those experience that i'm

1126
00:41:49,349 --> 00:41:47,040
having like if i come back from a place

1127
00:41:51,430 --> 00:41:49,359
do i have nightmares for like a week are

1128
00:41:53,510 --> 00:41:51,440
the smoke alarms in my house all going

1129
00:41:54,870 --> 00:41:53,520
off like crazy and am i experiencing

1130
00:41:56,630 --> 00:41:54,880
other stuff like

1131
00:41:58,870 --> 00:41:56,640
you know up at skinwalker ranch they

1132
00:42:00,630 --> 00:41:58,880
they have this thing called whether it's

1133
00:42:03,109 --> 00:42:00,640
ethical or not i don't know a lot of

1134
00:42:05,030 --> 00:42:03,119
people were used like human bio sensors

1135
00:42:06,790 --> 00:42:05,040
you know walking around whether they

1136
00:42:08,790 --> 00:42:06,800
knew they were or not

1137
00:42:11,270 --> 00:42:08,800
like my buddy chris bartel

1138
00:42:12,950 --> 00:42:11,280
and used like a human guinea pig to walk

1139
00:42:14,470 --> 00:42:12,960
around out there to see if anything

1140
00:42:16,230 --> 00:42:14,480
happened to him and then

1141
00:42:17,910 --> 00:42:16,240
having brain scans done and stuff and

1142
00:42:19,270 --> 00:42:17,920
i'm not having any of that but i do have

1143
00:42:21,109 --> 00:42:19,280
effects where i'll come back from a

1144
00:42:23,030 --> 00:42:21,119
canyon and

1145
00:42:25,109 --> 00:42:23,040
i'll do like a meditation

1146
00:42:26,550 --> 00:42:25,119
play a frequency in a slot canyon and by

1147
00:42:28,870 --> 00:42:26,560
the time i

1148
00:42:30,790 --> 00:42:28,880
i get back to my truck i'm like super

1149
00:42:33,109 --> 00:42:30,800
sick and throwing up and i have to take

1150
00:42:35,030 --> 00:42:33,119
like three days to recover and

1151
00:42:36,950 --> 00:42:35,040
and it like can really affect you so i

1152
00:42:40,390 --> 00:42:36,960
wonder if they were doing

1153
00:42:42,550 --> 00:42:40,400
you know rituals or banging on drums or

1154
00:42:44,390 --> 00:42:42,560
you know blowing through antler whistles

1155
00:42:45,430 --> 00:42:44,400
and things bone whistles and

1156
00:42:47,829 --> 00:42:45,440
creating

1157
00:42:49,589 --> 00:42:47,839
frequencies that were

1158
00:42:51,750 --> 00:42:49,599
the same as what they're doing in some

1159
00:42:54,150 --> 00:42:51,760
of these secret programs at a high level

1160
00:42:55,829 --> 00:42:54,160
today but they were just tapped into it

1161
00:42:57,750 --> 00:42:55,839
in a different from a different

1162
00:43:00,710 --> 00:42:57,760
perspective and a different approach

1163
00:43:02,630 --> 00:43:00,720
yeah that we've forgotten you know along

1164
00:43:04,309 --> 00:43:02,640
with a lot of other things yeah i'm

1165
00:43:06,069 --> 00:43:04,319
curious to see because

1166
00:43:08,710 --> 00:43:06,079
in the knits one of the knits reports

1167
00:43:10,630 --> 00:43:08,720
and i spoke to dr colin kalaher about

1168
00:43:12,230 --> 00:43:10,640
and path to the skinwalker in the book

1169
00:43:14,630 --> 00:43:12,240
in the end of like one of the last

1170
00:43:16,309 --> 00:43:14,640
chapters is called revolutionary science

1171
00:43:17,670 --> 00:43:16,319
and he speaks about exactly what you're

1172
00:43:19,910 --> 00:43:17,680
talking about carl like his

1173
00:43:22,150 --> 00:43:19,920
recommendation outside of doing all

1174
00:43:23,510 --> 00:43:22,160
these different hypothesis about

1175
00:43:25,710 --> 00:43:23,520
mental health which could be like

1176
00:43:27,910 --> 00:43:25,720
schizophrenia that's happening on there

1177
00:43:29,589 --> 00:43:27,920
hallucinations they're saying that even

1178
00:43:31,990 --> 00:43:29,599
like wind currents could be traveling

1179
00:43:33,190 --> 00:43:32,000
with like um some form like psychedelics

1180
00:43:35,430 --> 00:43:33,200
that could be in it you know if you're

1181
00:43:37,589 --> 00:43:35,440
burning bushes that might turn into some

1182
00:43:39,510 --> 00:43:37,599
form of psychedelic so they looked at a

1183
00:43:41,990 --> 00:43:39,520
reported hypothesis and then one of the

1184
00:43:43,829 --> 00:43:42,000
last one was obviously like an uh

1185
00:43:46,390 --> 00:43:43,839
something that wasn't human as a

1186
00:43:48,470 --> 00:43:46,400
hypothesis and then what he suggested

1187
00:43:49,910 --> 00:43:48,480
was that they would go on the ranch and

1188
00:43:52,069 --> 00:43:49,920
and i don't know we'd have to talk to

1189
00:43:54,150 --> 00:43:52,079
brendan about that if they've done what

1190
00:43:55,670 --> 00:43:54,160
you've been doing in that space because

1191
00:43:57,190 --> 00:43:55,680
that was what he

1192
00:43:58,790 --> 00:43:57,200
said that they should be doing next is

1193
00:44:00,790 --> 00:43:58,800
all the revolutionary science the

1194
00:44:01,829 --> 00:44:00,800
challenge that we get into is that all

1195
00:44:04,470 --> 00:44:01,839
of that would be considered

1196
00:44:06,470 --> 00:44:04,480
pseudoscience and scientists have a

1197
00:44:08,230 --> 00:44:06,480
really hard time being able to measure

1198
00:44:10,790 --> 00:44:08,240
that and to figure out if that's

1199
00:44:12,710 --> 00:44:10,800
something that um is valid for them to

1200
00:44:14,470 --> 00:44:12,720
be able to say that this is what this is

1201
00:44:16,230 --> 00:44:14,480
how the phenomenon's working toward or

1202
00:44:18,230 --> 00:44:16,240
what's happening with it but you should

1203
00:44:20,630 --> 00:44:18,240
really document that and then share your

1204
00:44:22,470 --> 00:44:20,640
findings with brendan and with

1205
00:44:24,309 --> 00:44:22,480
even within skinwalker around those

1206
00:44:25,349 --> 00:44:24,319
areas it doesn't again have to be in

1207
00:44:27,109 --> 00:44:25,359
that one

1208
00:44:29,589 --> 00:44:27,119
specific area

1209
00:44:31,349 --> 00:44:29,599
outside of vernal because that is what

1210
00:44:33,190 --> 00:44:31,359
dr colin color hair and you should speak

1211
00:44:35,190 --> 00:44:33,200
with him too because that's what he

1212
00:44:36,390 --> 00:44:35,200
recommended in those areas and they

1213
00:44:38,950 --> 00:44:36,400
might have been for sure doing in the

1214
00:44:41,589 --> 00:44:38,960
past i saw those those like ver those

1215
00:44:43,750 --> 00:44:41,599
spirals too at mcconkey ranch when i was

1216
00:44:45,109 --> 00:44:43,760
there and they were all over the place

1217
00:44:47,510 --> 00:44:45,119
and the progression of them was

1218
00:44:49,589 --> 00:44:47,520
unbelievable from like early

1219
00:44:50,710 --> 00:44:49,599
you know a lot earlier of petroglyphs

1220
00:44:52,230 --> 00:44:50,720
all the way up to something that looked

1221
00:44:55,270 --> 00:44:52,240
like aztec even though it probably

1222
00:44:57,829 --> 00:44:55,280
wasn't aztec but it the it was a very

1223
00:44:59,589 --> 00:44:57,839
consistent thrall so i would yeah with

1224
00:45:01,270 --> 00:44:59,599
that said i think you should talk to dr

1225
00:45:02,950 --> 00:45:01,280
colin culler here because he that

1226
00:45:05,109 --> 00:45:02,960
exactly what you're doing is what he

1227
00:45:06,950 --> 00:45:05,119
recommended in the early 90s

1228
00:45:10,069 --> 00:45:06,960
definitely yeah i've been texting with

1229
00:45:11,670 --> 00:45:10,079
brandon fugle back and forth quite a bit

1230
00:45:13,430 --> 00:45:11,680
since going up there i did get to go to

1231
00:45:15,750 --> 00:45:13,440
skinwalker ranch and

1232
00:45:18,550 --> 00:45:15,760
do some work with chris bartell and

1233
00:45:20,630 --> 00:45:18,560
james keenan and we went with about half

1234
00:45:23,430 --> 00:45:20,640
of the skinwalker ranch team to do a lot

1235
00:45:26,230 --> 00:45:23,440
of he went to basin research expanded

1236
00:45:28,950 --> 00:45:26,240
off the ranch and then ended up at

1237
00:45:30,710 --> 00:45:28,960
the ranch and uh thomas winterson took

1238
00:45:33,030 --> 00:45:30,720
me out to look at the petroglyphs and a

1239
00:45:33,910 --> 00:45:33,040
couple of things there didn't have a ton

1240
00:45:38,470 --> 00:45:33,920
of

1241
00:45:40,470 --> 00:45:38,480
interested to see how how it is all

1242
00:45:41,990 --> 00:45:40,480
connected from that ancient past

1243
00:45:44,470 --> 00:45:42,000
perspective to

1244
00:45:46,550 --> 00:45:44,480
how we can pick up on that today if it

1245
00:45:48,309 --> 00:45:46,560
is something that we've lost how do we

1246
00:45:49,270 --> 00:45:48,319
do that is it through the meditation

1247
00:45:51,589 --> 00:45:49,280
approach

1248
00:45:53,190 --> 00:45:51,599
were they doing like peyote or some kind

1249
00:45:54,790 --> 00:45:53,200
of psychedelics and that's what we're

1250
00:45:57,190 --> 00:45:54,800
seeing on the rocks

1251
00:45:59,109 --> 00:45:57,200
is there a consciousness

1252
00:46:01,750 --> 00:45:59,119
interfacing with reality and a

1253
00:46:03,589 --> 00:46:01,760
manifestation aspect that you hear

1254
00:46:05,190 --> 00:46:03,599
talked about because you know

1255
00:46:07,589 --> 00:46:05,200
you start talking about that like can

1256
00:46:09,430 --> 00:46:07,599
your mind really shape your reality and

1257
00:46:11,670 --> 00:46:09,440
form your reality and change it and are

1258
00:46:12,470 --> 00:46:11,680
these things real could they actually be

1259
00:46:15,990 --> 00:46:12,480
real

1260
00:46:18,230 --> 00:46:16,000
and you know quantum entanglement and

1261
00:46:20,870 --> 00:46:18,240
superposition and things like that all

1262
00:46:21,670 --> 00:46:20,880
starts to make it plausible this idea

1263
00:46:24,870 --> 00:46:21,680
that

1264
00:46:26,630 --> 00:46:24,880
the double split experiment uh where

1265
00:46:28,390 --> 00:46:26,640
if you look at something or if it's

1266
00:46:30,630 --> 00:46:28,400
observed the observer

1267
00:46:33,910 --> 00:46:30,640
affects the outcome of reality it

1268
00:46:35,910 --> 00:46:33,920
collapses reality from a waveform into

1269
00:46:38,630 --> 00:46:35,920
particle almost like it procedurally

1270
00:46:40,550 --> 00:46:38,640
generates like a video game you know

1271
00:46:43,109 --> 00:46:40,560
so it's very strange and still

1272
00:46:44,710 --> 00:46:43,119
mysterious i don't think we know as much

1273
00:46:47,030 --> 00:46:44,720
as we think we know about the true

1274
00:46:49,670 --> 00:46:47,040
nature of reality and so some of these

1275
00:46:51,510 --> 00:46:49,680
places i think give us a glimpse into

1276
00:46:52,309 --> 00:46:51,520
that and we should be open-minded to it

1277
00:46:54,470 --> 00:46:52,319
and

1278
00:46:56,390 --> 00:46:54,480
that comes with looking into the native

1279
00:46:58,150 --> 00:46:56,400
american and the ancient perspective and

1280
00:47:00,069 --> 00:46:58,160
how they were approaching it and trying

1281
00:47:01,750 --> 00:47:00,079
to deal with it during their time

1282
00:47:03,990 --> 00:47:01,760
because who knows maybe a thousand years

1283
00:47:05,430 --> 00:47:04,000
ago or further the earth was in a

1284
00:47:07,270 --> 00:47:05,440
different place

1285
00:47:09,430 --> 00:47:07,280
in in reality or the fact that they

1286
00:47:12,150 --> 00:47:09,440
weren't all hijacked by radio

1287
00:47:14,309 --> 00:47:12,160
frequencies and 5g signals and satellite

1288
00:47:16,470 --> 00:47:14,319
they were more connected to the earth

1289
00:47:18,230 --> 00:47:16,480
frequencies in the universe

1290
00:47:21,190 --> 00:47:18,240
and their consciousness was connected in

1291
00:47:23,750 --> 00:47:21,200
a different way we just don't know so i

1292
00:47:26,710 --> 00:47:23,760
just try to keep an open mind and when i

1293
00:47:29,430 --> 00:47:26,720
do i always have experiences that's such

1294
00:47:33,030 --> 00:47:29,440
a good point you know the more

1295
00:47:37,109 --> 00:47:33,040
radio waves and signals we put out there

1296
00:47:38,870 --> 00:47:37,119
it it could become a blockage of what

1297
00:47:41,750 --> 00:47:38,880
should be there and the harmony that

1298
00:47:42,870 --> 00:47:41,760
should be existing in an area and you do

1299
00:47:44,150 --> 00:47:42,880
have to wonder

1300
00:47:46,549 --> 00:47:44,160
these um

1301
00:47:48,630 --> 00:47:46,559
small glimpses as you said like the mesa

1302
00:47:51,589 --> 00:47:48,640
and skinwalker ranch

1303
00:47:54,309 --> 00:47:51,599
is this the phenomena or whatever it is

1304
00:47:57,190 --> 00:47:54,319
screaming like stop like you don't need

1305
00:47:59,190 --> 00:47:57,200
to of this 5g you don't need to have a

1306
00:48:01,430 --> 00:47:59,200
million different satellites going at

1307
00:48:03,190 --> 00:48:01,440
once just so we can like say oh i'm

1308
00:48:05,670 --> 00:48:03,200
going to be home at 6 00 p.m for dinner

1309
00:48:08,069 --> 00:48:05,680
you know like stop just stop with all of

1310
00:48:09,910 --> 00:48:08,079
this um you have to wonder is it

1311
00:48:13,270 --> 00:48:09,920
screaming to us like

1312
00:48:16,950 --> 00:48:13,280
we're still here don't forget us and um

1313
00:48:18,710 --> 00:48:16,960
yeah ultimately we're probably gonna win

1314
00:48:21,510 --> 00:48:18,720
not that it's you know a fight or a

1315
00:48:22,790 --> 00:48:21,520
battle but in the end like the world the

1316
00:48:25,030 --> 00:48:22,800
earth will

1317
00:48:27,430 --> 00:48:25,040
will win will succeed when it comes to

1318
00:48:28,069 --> 00:48:27,440
all of this i think in our our evolution

1319
00:48:29,750 --> 00:48:28,079
or

1320
00:48:32,230 --> 00:48:29,760
devolution if you want to look at it

1321
00:48:34,230 --> 00:48:32,240
that way um you truly do have to wonder

1322
00:48:36,549 --> 00:48:34,240
i have no idea what i'm saying somebody

1323
00:48:38,470 --> 00:48:36,559
please take this

1324
00:48:40,790 --> 00:48:38,480
well i think we go we watch carl's

1325
00:48:44,630 --> 00:48:40,800
footage now and he tells us what's going

1326
00:48:46,790 --> 00:48:44,640
on oh my gosh yeah okay so let's let's

1327
00:48:48,390 --> 00:48:46,800
let's fast forward um we talked about

1328
00:48:51,589 --> 00:48:48,400
some of the theories of what it could be

1329
00:48:53,430 --> 00:48:51,599
prosaic or not prosaic um

1330
00:48:55,670 --> 00:48:53,440
you were able to debunk some things that

1331
00:48:58,950 --> 00:48:55,680
people did say that it definitely was

1332
00:49:01,990 --> 00:48:58,960
which it definitely was not um so where

1333
00:49:03,910 --> 00:49:02,000
does the investigation stand now carl i

1334
00:49:05,670 --> 00:49:03,920
know you've hinted at there might be an

1335
00:49:07,990 --> 00:49:05,680
explanation and this might even have

1336
00:49:10,549 --> 00:49:08,000
connections to other phenomena happening

1337
00:49:11,750 --> 00:49:10,559
in the basin and and further beyond yeah

1338
00:49:14,870 --> 00:49:11,760
give it to us man whatever you're

1339
00:49:19,430 --> 00:49:14,880
willing to share about what is the magic

1340
00:49:22,630 --> 00:49:19,440
mesa yeah so the magic mesa itself is a

1341
00:49:24,069 --> 00:49:22,640
combination of some really uh unique

1342
00:49:27,190 --> 00:49:24,079
things all

1343
00:49:30,309 --> 00:49:27,200
aligning just in the right way

1344
00:49:31,270 --> 00:49:30,319
to where you could debunk it and look at

1345
00:49:38,069 --> 00:49:31,280
it

1346
00:49:40,309 --> 00:49:38,079
then finally

1347
00:49:41,990 --> 00:49:40,319
just in the right way at the right time

1348
00:49:44,069 --> 00:49:42,000
it it does

1349
00:49:45,750 --> 00:49:44,079
replicate and recreate it so i still

1350
00:49:47,670 --> 00:49:45,760
have more work to do

1351
00:49:48,630 --> 00:49:47,680
but i'm confident enough to say that

1352
00:49:50,710 --> 00:49:48,640
there was

1353
00:49:52,309 --> 00:49:50,720
so you see in the video when we debunk

1354
00:49:54,470 --> 00:49:52,319
it with the headlights

1355
00:49:56,870 --> 00:49:54,480
so what we did was with the truck with

1356
00:49:58,790 --> 00:49:56,880
baja lights parked right up close

1357
00:50:00,950 --> 00:49:58,800
turned all the lights on

1358
00:50:01,750 --> 00:50:00,960
and shine it right up on the mesa and

1359
00:50:04,309 --> 00:50:01,760
then

1360
00:50:06,470 --> 00:50:04,319
underneath my headlights even up close

1361
00:50:08,549 --> 00:50:06,480
you still see the phenomena appear on

1362
00:50:10,710 --> 00:50:08,559
the mountain side on the hillside

1363
00:50:13,109 --> 00:50:10,720
so you think okay that can't be it

1364
00:50:15,750 --> 00:50:13,119
so then we go up on the ridge uh where

1365
00:50:18,309 --> 00:50:15,760
the petroglyphs are and stand over there

1366
00:50:20,630 --> 00:50:18,319
and shine spotlights and we even stood

1367
00:50:22,180 --> 00:50:20,640
there for hours and watched cars go by

1368
00:50:25,349 --> 00:50:22,190
and didn't see anything

1369
00:50:31,430 --> 00:50:28,069
time trying to do everything from black

1370
00:50:33,030 --> 00:50:31,440
lights to lasers to i even recently flew

1371
00:50:35,270 --> 00:50:33,040
a drone up there i haven't even got to

1372
00:50:37,670 --> 00:50:35,280
that footage yet and processed it

1373
00:50:40,470 --> 00:50:37,680
um but i finally had my friend come with

1374
00:50:42,230 --> 00:50:40,480
his military grade night vision stuff

1375
00:50:45,109 --> 00:50:42,240
and it revealed

1376
00:50:46,230 --> 00:50:45,119
two little clues down in one

1377
00:50:49,030 --> 00:50:46,240
corner

1378
00:50:52,390 --> 00:50:49,040
of the night vision footage at one

1379
00:50:55,190 --> 00:50:52,400
moment that i was like that looks like a

1380
00:50:57,510 --> 00:50:55,200
street sign it looks like a like a stop

1381
00:50:59,670 --> 00:50:57,520
sign and i was like there's no way and i

1382
00:51:02,390 --> 00:50:59,680
couldn't believe it i was so blown away

1383
00:51:03,109 --> 00:51:02,400
because we had gone down every road

1384
00:51:05,190 --> 00:51:03,119
with

1385
00:51:07,109 --> 00:51:05,200
lights on and everything

1386
00:51:08,549 --> 00:51:07,119
we'd stood there for hours and watched

1387
00:51:10,790 --> 00:51:08,559
cars go by

1388
00:51:13,190 --> 00:51:10,800
nothing and we filmed it and then i was

1389
00:51:16,069 --> 00:51:13,200
like i swear this looks like a like a

1390
00:51:18,309 --> 00:51:16,079
street sign for just like a split second

1391
00:51:20,230 --> 00:51:18,319
and so then we were like we have to go

1392
00:51:22,630 --> 00:51:20,240
double check all this and so we started

1393
00:51:24,069 --> 00:51:22,640
going back and back and back and so what

1394
00:51:26,630 --> 00:51:24,079
ended up happening

1395
00:51:28,549 --> 00:51:26,640
was i stood at the base of the mesa

1396
00:51:30,950 --> 00:51:28,559
while he got in my truck and just

1397
00:51:32,470 --> 00:51:30,960
started retracing steps that we've been

1398
00:51:35,270 --> 00:51:32,480
these roads that we've been down a

1399
00:51:36,790 --> 00:51:35,280
million times i swear for like the last

1400
00:51:37,750 --> 00:51:36,800
two months we've driven down these a

1401
00:51:40,150 --> 00:51:37,760
bunch

1402
00:51:41,750 --> 00:51:40,160
but what ended up happening was he drove

1403
00:51:43,430 --> 00:51:41,760
down this one road that i was like i

1404
00:51:44,870 --> 00:51:43,440
swear this has got to be the road it's

1405
00:51:47,510 --> 00:51:44,880
got to be this one

1406
00:51:49,349 --> 00:51:47,520
and even when he did it it did not

1407
00:51:51,670 --> 00:51:49,359
recreate the phenomenon so i was like

1408
00:51:53,430 --> 00:51:51,680
that's not it that's not it you know so

1409
00:51:54,710 --> 00:51:53,440
he said hang on let me drive a little

1410
00:51:57,829 --> 00:51:54,720
further

1411
00:51:58,870 --> 00:51:57,839
so he actually went three miles away

1412
00:52:00,230 --> 00:51:58,880
okay

1413
00:52:02,390 --> 00:52:00,240
from the mesa

1414
00:52:04,549 --> 00:52:02,400
and turned around and it still didn't do

1415
00:52:06,950 --> 00:52:04,559
it and i said do it one more time and

1416
00:52:07,750 --> 00:52:06,960
turn the baja lights on

1417
00:52:09,510 --> 00:52:07,760
and

1418
00:52:11,109 --> 00:52:09,520
just drive like you're kind of looking

1419
00:52:13,109 --> 00:52:11,119
at your phone like drive around it's

1420
00:52:15,589 --> 00:52:13,119
like i've got that's got to be it so

1421
00:52:17,829 --> 00:52:15,599
when he turned like the high

1422
00:52:19,349 --> 00:52:17,839
beams on and he went clear to the back

1423
00:52:21,829 --> 00:52:19,359
of the road

1424
00:52:23,829 --> 00:52:21,839
then just from that angle

1425
00:52:24,710 --> 00:52:23,839
there's one spot where the road dips

1426
00:52:26,950 --> 00:52:24,720
down

1427
00:52:30,710 --> 00:52:26,960
and then comes up and swerves

1428
00:52:33,109 --> 00:52:30,720
and just for like maybe 10 seconds

1429
00:52:35,030 --> 00:52:33,119
almost exactly we were able to recreate

1430
00:52:36,549 --> 00:52:35,040
the lights on the mesa

1431
00:52:39,109 --> 00:52:36,559
and only then

1432
00:52:41,430 --> 00:52:39,119
and if you go any other angle from any

1433
00:52:42,950 --> 00:52:41,440
other road or up close

1434
00:52:45,510 --> 00:52:42,960
the geology

1435
00:52:46,549 --> 00:52:45,520
and the way the rocks have slid

1436
00:52:49,670 --> 00:52:46,559
and the way

1437
00:52:51,270 --> 00:52:49,680
the volcanic black rocks are you cannot

1438
00:52:53,670 --> 00:52:51,280
get the same

1439
00:52:56,710 --> 00:52:53,680
mirrored glowing holographic light

1440
00:52:57,990 --> 00:52:56,720
effect unless it's for some reason

1441
00:53:01,030 --> 00:52:58,000
high beams

1442
00:53:03,670 --> 00:53:01,040
from three three miles to like uh

1443
00:53:05,990 --> 00:53:03,680
two and three quarter miles away as soon

1444
00:53:07,990 --> 00:53:06,000
as you get closer it just like

1445
00:53:10,710 --> 00:53:08,000
flourishes and disappears

1446
00:53:13,190 --> 00:53:10,720
any other road nothing

1447
00:53:14,549 --> 00:53:13,200
nowhere else even the same road without

1448
00:53:17,430 --> 00:53:14,559
high beams on

1449
00:53:19,270 --> 00:53:17,440
nothing but once you do it exactly right

1450
00:53:21,510 --> 00:53:19,280
like somebody coming from the back

1451
00:53:24,230 --> 00:53:21,520
country road and they forget their high

1452
00:53:26,710 --> 00:53:24,240
beams on and it's a modern vehicle with

1453
00:53:27,670 --> 00:53:26,720
led lights on or like a truck high

1454
00:53:29,829 --> 00:53:27,680
enough

1455
00:53:32,470 --> 00:53:29,839
then and only then

1456
00:53:35,109 --> 00:53:32,480
it creates the lights and so

1457
00:53:37,030 --> 00:53:35,119
there's there's that one thing that does

1458
00:53:39,990 --> 00:53:37,040
it so unless there's some other

1459
00:53:42,150 --> 00:53:40,000
phenomena of lights appearing i have to

1460
00:53:43,829 --> 00:53:42,160
say that that's got to be it but it took

1461
00:53:45,190 --> 00:53:43,839
us two months

1462
00:53:47,910 --> 00:53:45,200
of debunking

1463
00:53:49,270 --> 00:53:47,920
freaking everything to finally find

1464
00:53:52,150 --> 00:53:49,280
that one

1465
00:53:55,190 --> 00:53:52,160
tiny little stretch that creates all of

1466
00:53:56,390 --> 00:53:55,200
those effects and so you have to wonder

1467
00:53:58,630 --> 00:53:56,400
then

1468
00:54:00,390 --> 00:53:58,640
if you go onto the reservation into

1469
00:54:01,270 --> 00:54:00,400
different areas up in the basin if

1470
00:54:02,870 --> 00:54:01,280
that's

1471
00:54:05,109 --> 00:54:02,880
what they're catching on their security

1472
00:54:07,589 --> 00:54:05,119
camera up there on that mesa too some

1473
00:54:09,990 --> 00:54:07,599
kind of a weird spectrum of light

1474
00:54:11,910 --> 00:54:10,000
based on the geology in fact when james

1475
00:54:13,910 --> 00:54:11,920
keenan and chris bartel and i were up

1476
00:54:15,589 --> 00:54:13,920
there we actually this is one of the

1477
00:54:16,630 --> 00:54:15,599
rocks from

1478
00:54:19,030 --> 00:54:16,640
the

1479
00:54:22,549 --> 00:54:19,040
mesa office skinwalker ranch

1480
00:54:25,270 --> 00:54:22,559
up on the top and it has that same

1481
00:54:27,030 --> 00:54:25,280
black glossy volcanic kind of

1482
00:54:28,710 --> 00:54:27,040
sheen it's really hard to tell in this

1483
00:54:30,309 --> 00:54:28,720
lighting but if you take it outside it

1484
00:54:33,670 --> 00:54:30,319
almost has this like

1485
00:54:34,870 --> 00:54:33,680
black purple greenish iridescent effect

1486
00:54:36,549 --> 00:54:34,880
that

1487
00:54:39,430 --> 00:54:36,559
maybe it has something to do with it so

1488
00:54:40,470 --> 00:54:39,440
i still need to test like these kind of

1489
00:54:42,630 --> 00:54:40,480
rocks

1490
00:54:44,309 --> 00:54:42,640
and that volcanic rock and you get just

1491
00:54:46,069 --> 00:54:44,319
at the right angle

1492
00:54:48,789 --> 00:54:46,079
and it creates like this boom this

1493
00:54:51,670 --> 00:54:48,799
glowing almost a holographic

1494
00:54:53,670 --> 00:54:51,680
iridescent weird aura that appears

1495
00:54:54,309 --> 00:54:53,680
and it's totally supernatural looking

1496
00:55:00,069 --> 00:54:54,319
and

1497
00:55:02,390 --> 00:55:00,079
this poor family for the long longest

1498
00:55:04,710 --> 00:55:02,400
time for 10 years you know

1499
00:55:06,390 --> 00:55:04,720
you know it's really but uh yeah and

1500
00:55:08,309 --> 00:55:06,400
it's on the the intro at skinwalker

1501
00:55:10,390 --> 00:55:08,319
ranch now i can't say that that's great

1502
00:55:12,470 --> 00:55:10,400
what's going on there right i don't know

1503
00:55:15,270 --> 00:55:12,480
if that's the entire light phenomenon

1504
00:55:17,510 --> 00:55:15,280
even at the mesa here but when i i mean

1505
00:55:18,870 --> 00:55:17,520
i got video footage now on my night

1506
00:55:21,349 --> 00:55:18,880
vision camera

1507
00:55:24,309 --> 00:55:21,359
with my friend driving in the truck and

1508
00:55:26,230 --> 00:55:24,319
it's so similar that i'm convinced that

1509
00:55:28,150 --> 00:55:26,240
that that one

1510
00:55:29,430 --> 00:55:28,160
tiny stretch of road

1511
00:55:30,870 --> 00:55:29,440
with weird

1512
00:55:33,510 --> 00:55:30,880
somebody forgetting and leaving their

1513
00:55:35,109 --> 00:55:33,520
high beams on has to explain a lot of

1514
00:55:37,589 --> 00:55:35,119
what that family's been experiencing

1515
00:55:39,750 --> 00:55:37,599
there not all of it but a lot of it so i

1516
00:55:41,670 --> 00:55:39,760
still want to keep going and figure out

1517
00:55:43,430 --> 00:55:41,680
like what the heck else is going on with

1518
00:55:44,870 --> 00:55:43,440
all the native american supernatural

1519
00:55:46,309 --> 00:55:44,880
stuff and where do the petroglyphs

1520
00:55:47,510 --> 00:55:46,319
really lead

1521
00:55:49,589 --> 00:55:47,520
why is their

1522
00:55:51,750 --> 00:55:49,599
ceremonial wheels that line up on the

1523
00:55:52,870 --> 00:55:51,760
mesa and what really is going on there

1524
00:55:55,670 --> 00:55:52,880
and why

1525
00:55:58,309 --> 00:55:55,680
uh i don't know but that is ultimately

1526
00:56:00,069 --> 00:55:58,319
what it is is i i think the majority of

1527
00:56:01,750 --> 00:56:00,079
what people are experiencing is just

1528
00:56:03,750 --> 00:56:01,760
that one

1529
00:56:05,109 --> 00:56:03,760
weird stretch of headlights so the

1530
00:56:06,630 --> 00:56:05,119
people that right up front were like

1531
00:56:09,510 --> 00:56:06,640
it's got to be headlights it's got to be

1532
00:56:10,950 --> 00:56:09,520
headlights i honestly believe

1533
00:56:11,670 --> 00:56:10,960
uh that

1534
00:56:13,270 --> 00:56:11,680
for

1535
00:56:15,349 --> 00:56:13,280
everything that it's worth they could

1536
00:56:17,190 --> 00:56:15,359
have stood there and walked around and

1537
00:56:18,950 --> 00:56:17,200
spent like a good week trying to figure

1538
00:56:20,150 --> 00:56:18,960
it out and not been able to figure it

1539
00:56:21,589 --> 00:56:20,160
out either

1540
00:56:23,430 --> 00:56:21,599
but it took

1541
00:56:25,430 --> 00:56:23,440
me getting actually a lot of

1542
00:56:27,829 --> 00:56:25,440
professional help to come in i had a lot

1543
00:56:29,190 --> 00:56:27,839
of people help me even contacted the

1544
00:56:30,870 --> 00:56:29,200
night vision company and they couldn't

1545
00:56:32,950 --> 00:56:30,880
figure it out either yeah i saw that

1546
00:56:35,990 --> 00:56:32,960
email exchange they were like we're just

1547
00:56:37,109 --> 00:56:36,000
as stumped as you are man yeah

1548
00:56:39,270 --> 00:56:37,119
wow

1549
00:56:41,589 --> 00:56:39,280
well i'm curious to see what dr travis

1550
00:56:43,589 --> 00:56:41,599
taylor would say i'm very scared with

1551
00:56:46,549 --> 00:56:43,599
you gotta give him the car

1552
00:56:49,190 --> 00:56:46,559
yes um carl um you mentioned the family

1553
00:56:52,150 --> 00:56:49,200
had other experiences is that something

1554
00:56:55,109 --> 00:56:52,160
you can share um i understand if not but

1555
00:56:57,190 --> 00:56:55,119
like you said this could explain the the

1556
00:56:59,430 --> 00:56:57,200
lights on the mesa but uh

1557
00:57:01,829 --> 00:56:59,440
this isn't it and you know this is only

1558
00:57:03,190 --> 00:57:01,839
uh a precursor to other things they've

1559
00:57:05,349 --> 00:57:03,200
experienced is there anything you can

1560
00:57:06,630 --> 00:57:05,359
share about what else they have uh

1561
00:57:09,270 --> 00:57:06,640
experienced there

1562
00:57:11,589 --> 00:57:09,280
well i've even seen like kind of

1563
00:57:13,750 --> 00:57:11,599
unassociated with the mesa itself i've

1564
00:57:15,510 --> 00:57:13,760
seen like what look like balls of light

1565
00:57:16,870 --> 00:57:15,520
come up out of the ground and then go

1566
00:57:18,789 --> 00:57:16,880
back down

1567
00:57:20,710 --> 00:57:18,799
that look like something standing up and

1568
00:57:23,910 --> 00:57:20,720
then ducking back down

1569
00:57:25,670 --> 00:57:23,920
we've heard the the weird auditory stuff

1570
00:57:27,910 --> 00:57:25,680
it gets like

1571
00:57:30,710 --> 00:57:27,920
like um like i said the amplified

1572
00:57:32,870 --> 00:57:30,720
coincidences start to occur where

1573
00:57:35,990 --> 00:57:32,880
um like i was standing at one time and i

1574
00:57:38,710 --> 00:57:36,000
had my hand on a barbed wire fence and

1575
00:57:40,789 --> 00:57:38,720
just like my brother i said uh

1576
00:57:42,470 --> 00:57:40,799
you know i've as many times as i've been

1577
00:57:44,789 --> 00:57:42,480
here and as creepy as it can get and

1578
00:57:46,870 --> 00:57:44,799
i've never had anything bad happen to me

1579
00:57:48,630 --> 00:57:46,880
and right as i said that the barbed wire

1580
00:57:51,109 --> 00:57:48,640
like snapped in half

1581
00:57:53,349 --> 00:57:51,119
and it curled back and like snagged onto

1582
00:57:55,910 --> 00:57:53,359
my shirt and almost hit me in the face

1583
00:57:58,230 --> 00:57:55,920
and everybody was like what the hell you

1584
00:57:59,589 --> 00:57:58,240
know and so it was just like weird stuff

1585
00:58:01,670 --> 00:57:59,599
like that happens you know like when

1586
00:58:02,870 --> 00:58:01,680
you're when you're dreaming at night and

1587
00:58:04,789 --> 00:58:02,880
it's like

1588
00:58:06,870 --> 00:58:04,799
if you're if you think it it kind of

1589
00:58:07,750 --> 00:58:06,880
like instantly happens it almost feels

1590
00:58:12,390 --> 00:58:07,760
like

1591
00:58:13,910 --> 00:58:12,400
interactive and i can see why you get

1592
00:58:17,589 --> 00:58:13,920
this sense of like

1593
00:58:18,789 --> 00:58:17,599
the the trickster effect going on where

1594
00:58:20,870 --> 00:58:18,799
like what your

1595
00:58:23,109 --> 00:58:20,880
subconscious is

1596
00:58:25,190 --> 00:58:23,119
concerned about like it's almost like

1597
00:58:27,430 --> 00:58:25,200
opposite day like weird little things

1598
00:58:29,510 --> 00:58:27,440
start to pop up and the family's been

1599
00:58:31,670 --> 00:58:29,520
experiencing all that kind of paranormal

1600
00:58:33,030 --> 00:58:31,680
stuff the whole the whole time as well

1601
00:58:35,990 --> 00:58:33,040
from hearing

1602
00:58:37,750 --> 00:58:36,000
noises to seeing uh like what looks like

1603
00:58:39,990 --> 00:58:37,760
a herd of buffalo running through the

1604
00:58:41,190 --> 00:58:40,000
valley like just shadow shadows and

1605
00:58:43,829 --> 00:58:41,200
hearing them

1606
00:58:46,230 --> 00:58:43,839
seeing uh like what looks like a woman

1607
00:58:48,390 --> 00:58:46,240
in a white dress like walking along the

1608
00:58:50,789 --> 00:58:48,400
hillside

1609
00:58:53,190 --> 00:58:50,799
i've been up at the petroglyph site

1610
00:58:54,069 --> 00:58:53,200
on the other side of the valley

1611
00:59:00,870 --> 00:58:54,079
and

1612
00:59:02,950 --> 00:59:00,880
meditations for i did that multiple

1613
00:59:05,190 --> 00:59:02,960
times over the course of a year

1614
00:59:07,510 --> 00:59:05,200
and then i found out later

1615
00:59:09,270 --> 00:59:07,520
that uh that that rock that i was

1616
00:59:12,230 --> 00:59:09,280
sitting on was the

1617
00:59:14,630 --> 00:59:12,240
ancient shaman's seat that he would sit

1618
00:59:16,069 --> 00:59:14,640
on to do his rituals or meditate and i

1619
00:59:18,069 --> 00:59:16,079
had no idea

1620
00:59:20,069 --> 00:59:18,079
and some of the meditation experiences

1621
00:59:21,829 --> 00:59:20,079
that i was having there were pretty

1622
00:59:23,990 --> 00:59:21,839
interesting too where

1623
00:59:25,430 --> 00:59:24,000
you know i would swear somebody was

1624
00:59:26,870 --> 00:59:25,440
walking up through the crack of the

1625
00:59:28,549 --> 00:59:26,880
rocks and then i turned my head and

1626
00:59:31,430 --> 00:59:28,559
there's just nobody there

1627
00:59:32,630 --> 00:59:31,440
and uh hear things i've had my

1628
00:59:34,549 --> 00:59:32,640
paranormal

1629
00:59:36,390 --> 00:59:34,559
equipment like my rim pod just go

1630
00:59:38,630 --> 00:59:36,400
bonkers on me there like a couple of

1631
00:59:40,309 --> 00:59:38,640
times i'll set it there and nothing's

1632
00:59:41,270 --> 00:59:40,319
happening and then it just starts going

1633
00:59:43,349 --> 00:59:41,280
off like

1634
00:59:45,030 --> 00:59:43,359
some kind of weird energy's moving

1635
00:59:47,109 --> 00:59:45,040
through

1636
00:59:50,390 --> 00:59:47,119
but the family has seen you know balls

1637
00:59:52,630 --> 00:59:50,400
of light um we've seen lights in the sky

1638
00:59:54,710 --> 00:59:52,640
move around uh

1639
00:59:57,190 --> 00:59:54,720
that could be satellites some of them

1640
00:59:59,349 --> 00:59:57,200
have turned and arced and made different

1641
01:00:00,710 --> 00:59:59,359
directional changes and stuff but i

1642
01:00:02,470 --> 01:00:00,720
don't know i've never seen like an

1643
01:00:04,950 --> 01:00:02,480
actual vivid like craft that i could

1644
01:00:06,309 --> 01:00:04,960
save as like a a sauce or a tic tac or

1645
01:00:08,470 --> 01:00:06,319
anything it's just been like you know

1646
01:00:10,870 --> 01:00:08,480
the little dots in the sky but there's

1647
01:00:14,390 --> 01:00:10,880
been a lot of stuff yeah

1648
01:00:16,230 --> 01:00:14,400
oh you're a mute right muted right

1649
01:00:17,510 --> 01:00:16,240
i'm too darn polite i keep meeting my

1650
01:00:19,430 --> 01:00:17,520
mic that's because i live right next to

1651
01:00:21,990 --> 01:00:19,440
the subway i apologize

1652
01:00:23,750 --> 01:00:22,000
um i we do have a video of one of the

1653
01:00:25,670 --> 01:00:23,760
ufos you caught which we'll share in a

1654
01:00:29,109 --> 01:00:25,680
little bit here um at a different

1655
01:00:31,910 --> 01:00:29,119
location um but wow

1656
01:00:35,510 --> 01:00:31,920
see again the minute you explained what

1657
01:00:37,589 --> 01:00:35,520
the the magic mesa was or wasn't um like

1658
01:00:39,990 --> 01:00:37,599
my heart dropped for a second and then

1659
01:00:41,750 --> 01:00:40,000
you picked it right back up because that

1660
01:00:44,230 --> 01:00:41,760
is only one

1661
01:00:46,390 --> 01:00:44,240
explanation and only one phenomena

1662
01:00:48,230 --> 01:00:46,400
that's occurring in this area but that's

1663
01:00:49,990 --> 01:00:48,240
what it's about you look at like the

1664
01:00:52,710 --> 01:00:50,000
investigations at blind frog or

1665
01:00:54,549 --> 01:00:52,720
skinwalker or any other location like

1666
01:00:57,510 --> 01:00:54,559
you start checking things off and that's

1667
01:00:59,750 --> 01:00:57,520
what you do you know as a ufo researcher

1668
01:01:02,230 --> 01:00:59,760
it's not my job to prove ufos are aliens

1669
01:01:04,230 --> 01:01:02,240
it's my job to prove you know that it's

1670
01:01:06,630 --> 01:01:04,240
everything but aliens until you are

1671
01:01:09,750 --> 01:01:06,640
literally left with nothing else and

1672
01:01:11,190 --> 01:01:09,760
then it's a true unexplained so um again

1673
01:01:13,510 --> 01:01:11,200
you know while some might be like all

1674
01:01:17,270 --> 01:01:13,520
right well that's it magic mesa solved

1675
01:01:19,829 --> 01:01:17,280
it's not it's not solved it's only um

1676
01:01:22,069 --> 01:01:19,839
deepening the actual mystery going on

1677
01:01:23,990 --> 01:01:22,079
there we can move on to what that life

1678
01:01:25,670 --> 01:01:24,000
phenomenon was and on to the other

1679
01:01:27,589 --> 01:01:25,680
things so

1680
01:01:30,230 --> 01:01:27,599
we're getting checking the the aspect of

1681
01:01:32,309 --> 01:01:30,240
the lights and now double checking and

1682
01:01:33,990 --> 01:01:32,319
keeping track of that road to see if

1683
01:01:35,589 --> 01:01:34,000
that explains it all because there's a

1684
01:01:37,670 --> 01:01:35,599
good point stuff coming up out of the

1685
01:01:40,150 --> 01:01:37,680
ground and the other levels of it i just

1686
01:01:41,829 --> 01:01:40,160
want to announce what we find as we find

1687
01:01:43,270 --> 01:01:41,839
it and everything so there isn't any

1688
01:01:45,829 --> 01:01:43,280
kind of like

1689
01:01:47,910 --> 01:01:45,839
deception going on or dishonesty or

1690
01:01:50,309 --> 01:01:47,920
whatever because that that truly isn't

1691
01:01:51,990 --> 01:01:50,319
what it's about for me it's about

1692
01:01:54,230 --> 01:01:52,000
uh that truth because it's only a

1693
01:01:56,230 --> 01:01:54,240
problem if you're if your ego's hung up

1694
01:01:58,230 --> 01:01:56,240
on it like because then all of a sudden

1695
01:02:00,390 --> 01:01:58,240
you're tempted to be like well

1696
01:02:02,630 --> 01:02:00,400
man you know well chrissy knows this i

1697
01:02:03,910 --> 01:02:02,640
could with the mesa just with the lights

1698
01:02:05,670 --> 01:02:03,920
itself

1699
01:02:07,990 --> 01:02:05,680
and how hard it would have been to

1700
01:02:10,309 --> 01:02:08,000
debunk i could have figured out what

1701
01:02:11,990 --> 01:02:10,319
this was and i'm not trying to toot my

1702
01:02:14,710 --> 01:02:12,000
own horn but it would i had people that

1703
01:02:16,870 --> 01:02:14,720
wanted to do a documentary series

1704
01:02:19,190 --> 01:02:16,880
and turn it into a whole tv show and

1705
01:02:21,589 --> 01:02:19,200
everything like a whole deal

1706
01:02:23,510 --> 01:02:21,599
but it was just like in the end what

1707
01:02:25,029 --> 01:02:23,520
everybody wanted to make a documentary

1708
01:02:27,510 --> 01:02:25,039
about i could have milked for a long

1709
01:02:29,750 --> 01:02:27,520
time but it's headlights it is and the

1710
01:02:31,270 --> 01:02:29,760
people that were yelling that at me even

1711
01:02:33,510 --> 01:02:31,280
though we could not figure it out for

1712
01:02:35,910 --> 01:02:33,520
two months they were right and the only

1713
01:02:38,390 --> 01:02:35,920
time that's a problem is if your ego is

1714
01:02:39,829 --> 01:02:38,400
all hurt by the truth and it just isn't

1715
01:02:42,390 --> 01:02:39,839
i want to know the truth as much as

1716
01:02:46,150 --> 01:02:42,400
anybody so i don't care like yeah that's

1717
01:02:47,750 --> 01:02:46,160
really my feelings i i truly respect

1718
01:02:49,670 --> 01:02:47,760
yeah i think it's important that we try

1719
01:02:51,349 --> 01:02:49,680
to figure out what's going on and be

1720
01:02:52,870 --> 01:02:51,359
able to check that box and be like okay

1721
01:02:55,270 --> 01:02:52,880
we solve that yeah and on to the next

1722
01:02:56,950 --> 01:02:55,280
mystery you know at the uap task force

1723
01:02:58,549 --> 01:02:56,960
that's what they were doing mainly too

1724
01:03:00,870 --> 01:02:58,559
you know i was talking to jay stratton

1725
01:03:02,950 --> 01:03:00,880
about that when i was at scu and jay

1726
01:03:04,950 --> 01:03:02,960
stratton would say you know we're we'd

1727
01:03:06,630 --> 01:03:04,960
want to know like we want to be able to

1728
01:03:08,230 --> 01:03:06,640
say like yes we can figure it out it's

1729
01:03:09,910 --> 01:03:08,240
birds yes we figured out was drones

1730
01:03:12,390 --> 01:03:09,920
because we can go to the next thing that

1731
01:03:14,870 --> 01:03:12,400
we can't figure out so it makes sense

1732
01:03:16,549 --> 01:03:14,880
and i i respect that immensely carl well

1733
01:03:18,470 --> 01:03:16,559
sometimes you know well chrissy knows

1734
01:03:20,789 --> 01:03:18,480
too sometimes i'll get like almost a

1735
01:03:22,549 --> 01:03:20,799
little bit militant like i want the

1736
01:03:24,549 --> 01:03:22,559
truth like i'll get like almost like

1737
01:03:26,870 --> 01:03:24,559
debunking like crazy

1738
01:03:28,549 --> 01:03:26,880
conspiracy i'll go down a rabbit hole

1739
01:03:31,190 --> 01:03:28,559
trying to figure it out

1740
01:03:33,829 --> 01:03:31,200
and luckily i always try to surround

1741
01:03:35,349 --> 01:03:33,839
myself with friends too that will

1742
01:03:37,270 --> 01:03:35,359
reel me in because i don't want to just

1743
01:03:39,750 --> 01:03:37,280
sit and drink the kool-aid and believe

1744
01:03:41,589 --> 01:03:39,760
it all but i also want to be open-minded

1745
01:03:43,109 --> 01:03:41,599
so that i'm not closed off because if it

1746
01:03:45,510 --> 01:03:43,119
does require

1747
01:03:47,829 --> 01:03:45,520
your consciousness to be open in order

1748
01:03:49,510 --> 01:03:47,839
to perceive certain experiences i want

1749
01:03:51,750 --> 01:03:49,520
to be able to do that too

1750
01:03:53,510 --> 01:03:51,760
so i'm trying to have all that in mind

1751
01:03:55,589 --> 01:03:53,520
and part of it is just having

1752
01:03:56,710 --> 01:03:55,599
yeah like a good team around you so that

1753
01:04:00,069 --> 01:03:56,720
people

1754
01:04:01,670 --> 01:04:00,079
keep you from getting skin walker fever

1755
01:04:04,710 --> 01:04:01,680
bring you back down when you start

1756
01:04:06,710 --> 01:04:04,720
floating up they're like no no no

1757
01:04:09,270 --> 01:04:06,720
it's a dust particle it's number orb

1758
01:04:11,589 --> 01:04:09,280
you're good right well you did mention

1759
01:04:13,589 --> 01:04:11,599
that you were speaking to brandon fugle

1760
01:04:17,430 --> 01:04:13,599
so a lot of people are going to kill me

1761
01:04:19,589 --> 01:04:17,440
if i don't ask um what is he think i

1762
01:04:22,150 --> 01:04:19,599
mean that again maybe that could

1763
01:04:24,710 --> 01:04:22,160
somewhat explain the ridge uh at

1764
01:04:26,630 --> 01:04:24,720
skinwalker ranch but maybe not but um

1765
01:04:27,990 --> 01:04:26,640
when you brought this to him what did

1766
01:04:30,549 --> 01:04:28,000
what did he have to say did he have

1767
01:04:32,230 --> 01:04:30,559
anything to add or detract from it or

1768
01:04:34,150 --> 01:04:32,240
yeah if you're willing to share again i

1769
01:04:36,549 --> 01:04:34,160
know this is a private conversation the

1770
01:04:38,710 --> 01:04:36,559
similarities are right there you know

1771
01:04:40,549 --> 01:04:38,720
the the way that it appears and and how

1772
01:04:42,789 --> 01:04:40,559
it gets captured on camera with night

1773
01:04:43,510 --> 01:04:42,799
vision it totally looks very similar and

1774
01:04:45,670 --> 01:04:43,520
so

1775
01:04:47,829 --> 01:04:45,680
it's to me is really reassuring

1776
01:04:48,789 --> 01:04:47,839
everything that i have thrown at brandon

1777
01:04:50,630 --> 01:04:48,799
fugle

1778
01:04:53,349 --> 01:04:50,640
is even like i was just saying some of

1779
01:04:55,990 --> 01:04:53,359
the hard-hitting like conspiracy stuff

1780
01:04:58,549 --> 01:04:56,000
from the previous era

1781
01:05:01,270 --> 01:04:58,559
you know spending time with chris bartel

1782
01:05:02,950 --> 01:05:01,280
and the community i've got a lot of

1783
01:05:03,670 --> 01:05:02,960
friends and people that i know up there

1784
01:05:05,109 --> 01:05:03,680
that

1785
01:05:07,829 --> 01:05:05,119
have worked around

1786
01:05:10,710 --> 01:05:07,839
the ranch and other areas that have had

1787
01:05:11,750 --> 01:05:10,720
good and bad experiences with the

1788
01:05:16,309 --> 01:05:11,760
the

1789
01:05:19,029 --> 01:05:16,319
and to me my experience communicating

1790
01:05:20,630 --> 01:05:19,039
with bran and fugal up to now has been

1791
01:05:22,549 --> 01:05:20,640
that everything that i have put in front

1792
01:05:24,470 --> 01:05:22,559
of his face being like well what about

1793
01:05:26,309 --> 01:05:24,480
this and what about that and i don't

1794
01:05:28,390 --> 01:05:26,319
want to even come and work there if it's

1795
01:05:30,470 --> 01:05:28,400
going to be like this you know if you

1796
01:05:32,870 --> 01:05:30,480
can't explain that he's just been

1797
01:05:33,990 --> 01:05:32,880
confident like he's aware of it and

1798
01:05:37,270 --> 01:05:34,000
honestly

1799
01:05:40,069 --> 01:05:37,280
a lot of i think why he's brought

1800
01:05:41,510 --> 01:05:40,079
chris bartel and james keenan and even

1801
01:05:43,990 --> 01:05:41,520
myself around

1802
01:05:46,150 --> 01:05:44,000
uh and back up there is to try and help

1803
01:05:47,430 --> 01:05:46,160
clear up a lot of that confusion from

1804
01:05:50,150 --> 01:05:47,440
the previous

1805
01:05:52,069 --> 01:05:50,160
era and a lot of the different um

1806
01:05:54,150 --> 01:05:52,079
exploratory

1807
01:05:55,829 --> 01:05:54,160
research that was going on there

1808
01:05:57,349 --> 01:05:55,839
that is still

1809
01:05:59,029 --> 01:05:57,359
a lot of people are not even allowed to

1810
01:06:01,190 --> 01:05:59,039
talk about that was going on that's

1811
01:06:03,029 --> 01:06:01,200
right that muddies a lot of the waters

1812
01:06:04,950 --> 01:06:03,039
about what's true and what's not up

1813
01:06:06,470 --> 01:06:04,960
there in the basin and around the

1814
01:06:08,309 --> 01:06:06,480
skinwalker ranch

1815
01:06:10,470 --> 01:06:08,319
and so having

1816
01:06:13,109 --> 01:06:10,480
people like us come up there

1817
01:06:15,829 --> 01:06:13,119
and go through it helps us cut through

1818
01:06:18,470 --> 01:06:15,839
that skin walker fever cut through the

1819
01:06:21,029 --> 01:06:18,480
history cut through the all the lies

1820
01:06:22,870 --> 01:06:21,039
around it and resonate the truth up to

1821
01:06:24,870 --> 01:06:22,880
the surface and so when we see things

1822
01:06:27,430 --> 01:06:24,880
like the mesa

1823
01:06:30,230 --> 01:06:27,440
and we work together to solve that it is

1824
01:06:33,029 --> 01:06:30,240
ends up being about finding the truth

1825
01:06:34,789 --> 01:06:33,039
there is that aspect of like yeah we're

1826
01:06:36,789 --> 01:06:34,799
like i have a youtube channel and he's

1827
01:06:39,109 --> 01:06:36,799
got a television show and there is like

1828
01:06:41,109 --> 01:06:39,119
a way of disseminating it out into the

1829
01:06:43,430 --> 01:06:41,119
public and you have to like keep a

1830
01:06:45,349 --> 01:06:43,440
certain amount of like views going in

1831
01:06:47,589 --> 01:06:45,359
order to pay the bills and the people

1832
01:06:50,390 --> 01:06:47,599
that work for you and stuff but it's

1833
01:06:52,230 --> 01:06:50,400
ultimately about doing that in a way

1834
01:06:54,870 --> 01:06:52,240
that brings the truth to the surface and

1835
01:06:56,950 --> 01:06:54,880
the limited time that you have

1836
01:06:59,190 --> 01:06:56,960
to put it out there to the public

1837
01:07:00,950 --> 01:06:59,200
what's going on up there in the basin

1838
01:07:03,270 --> 01:07:00,960
and the stuff that we're doing around

1839
01:07:05,430 --> 01:07:03,280
skinwalker ranch that's

1840
01:07:07,270 --> 01:07:05,440
parallel to the ranch itself is way

1841
01:07:09,270 --> 01:07:07,280
bigger than that

1842
01:07:11,430 --> 01:07:09,280
we've spent a lot of time well not a lot

1843
01:07:12,230 --> 01:07:11,440
of time we've spent time

1844
01:07:14,470 --> 01:07:12,240
with

1845
01:07:16,710 --> 01:07:14,480
some of the skinwalker ranch team

1846
01:07:19,109 --> 01:07:16,720
up going into caves

1847
01:07:22,230 --> 01:07:19,119
into

1848
01:07:25,029 --> 01:07:22,240
sinkholes aqueduct systems

1849
01:07:26,870 --> 01:07:25,039
using ground penetrating radar

1850
01:07:28,470 --> 01:07:26,880
detection equipment

1851
01:07:31,190 --> 01:07:28,480
looking for caves looking at the

1852
01:07:33,750 --> 01:07:31,200
petroglyphs and none of that's even with

1853
01:07:36,390 --> 01:07:33,760
camera crew around or anything it's just

1854
01:07:39,430 --> 01:07:36,400
by invitation to try and figure out what

1855
01:07:41,510 --> 01:07:39,440
is going on and what is happening which

1856
01:07:43,190 --> 01:07:41,520
to me gives me confidence that there is

1857
01:07:44,309 --> 01:07:43,200
there is something real and that they're

1858
01:07:46,789 --> 01:07:44,319
on to it

1859
01:07:48,549 --> 01:07:46,799
uh and you know and i was you know shown

1860
01:07:50,470 --> 01:07:48,559
a few things and had some conversations

1861
01:07:52,230 --> 01:07:50,480
that i'm not allowed to talk about

1862
01:07:54,150 --> 01:07:52,240
that also gives me confidence that

1863
01:07:57,589 --> 01:07:54,160
brandon is really trying

1864
01:07:59,670 --> 01:07:57,599
to sort through all the the bull crap of

1865
01:08:02,150 --> 01:07:59,680
like the people that have revolved

1866
01:08:04,069 --> 01:08:02,160
around the ranch in the past and get to

1867
01:08:05,670 --> 01:08:04,079
the bottom of it and and get some

1868
01:08:07,510 --> 01:08:05,680
answers for the community and people

1869
01:08:09,190 --> 01:08:07,520
that are curious

1870
01:08:10,950 --> 01:08:09,200
it's good to hear yeah

1871
01:08:13,910 --> 01:08:10,960
yeah for sure i know i mean i've talked

1872
01:08:15,829 --> 01:08:13,920
to brandon prior all three of us have on

1873
01:08:17,829 --> 01:08:15,839
different occasions and um

1874
01:08:19,590 --> 01:08:17,839
he seems very genuine that's just my gut

1875
01:08:21,910 --> 01:08:19,600
feeling like could i be wrong of course

1876
01:08:23,510 --> 01:08:21,920
i've been wrong about many ufo witnesses

1877
01:08:26,309 --> 01:08:23,520
who've come to me and i found out that

1878
01:08:27,669 --> 01:08:26,319
they were lying fabricating or had some

1879
01:08:30,309 --> 01:08:27,679
sort of mental

1880
01:08:32,229 --> 01:08:30,319
issue um and that's sad and that's just

1881
01:08:34,789 --> 01:08:32,239
part of the territory but i don't get

1882
01:08:36,390 --> 01:08:34,799
that i i don't get that and i i've been

1883
01:08:39,590 --> 01:08:36,400
kind of on this um

1884
01:08:42,229 --> 01:08:39,600
hating bigelow kick lately and um i'm

1885
01:08:45,269 --> 01:08:42,239
not that kind of person but i i get

1886
01:08:47,030 --> 01:08:45,279
frustrated at the lack of transparency

1887
01:08:49,749 --> 01:08:47,040
that occurred during the bigelow days

1888
01:08:51,990 --> 01:08:49,759
and i'm sure uh chris bartel did as well

1889
01:08:54,470 --> 01:08:52,000
and others who worked there they want

1890
01:08:56,470 --> 01:08:54,480
what they saw there or experienced or

1891
01:08:57,590 --> 01:08:56,480
the data that was collected out there

1892
01:09:00,789 --> 01:08:57,600
but

1893
01:09:03,590 --> 01:09:00,799
bigelow's not willing to do that and um

1894
01:09:05,910 --> 01:09:03,600
say what you will about a tv show but

1895
01:09:08,630 --> 01:09:05,920
brandon has brought more to the public

1896
01:09:11,669 --> 01:09:08,640
about this ranch in three seasons than

1897
01:09:13,189 --> 01:09:11,679
bigelow did his entire time there so i

1898
01:09:15,110 --> 01:09:13,199
applaud him for that yeah is it a tv

1899
01:09:17,030 --> 01:09:15,120
show yeah are some people making money

1900
01:09:18,550 --> 01:09:17,040
of course it's television like that's

1901
01:09:20,789 --> 01:09:18,560
just the way it is that doesn't mean

1902
01:09:23,110 --> 01:09:20,799
brandon's the one making money i'm sure

1903
01:09:25,669 --> 01:09:23,120
he's losing money on a lot of this stuff

1904
01:09:27,669 --> 01:09:25,679
too um you know especially with the

1905
01:09:29,749 --> 01:09:27,679
high-tech experiments they've been doing

1906
01:09:32,229 --> 01:09:29,759
so yeah yeah that's kind of my two cents

1907
01:09:33,269 --> 01:09:32,239
i want to know what bigelow experienced

1908
01:09:36,630 --> 01:09:33,279
there but

1909
01:09:38,149 --> 01:09:36,640
i really think that while bigelow

1910
01:09:40,870 --> 01:09:38,159
you know played some games with the

1911
01:09:44,149 --> 01:09:40,880
phenomenon brandon is like in the super

1912
01:09:47,110 --> 01:09:44,159
bowl like he's like focused and he's

1913
01:09:49,030 --> 01:09:47,120
ready to really discover what's going on

1914
01:09:51,110 --> 01:09:49,040
not just a skinwalker ranch but like you

1915
01:09:53,430 --> 01:09:51,120
said the surrounding areas as well

1916
01:09:55,030 --> 01:09:53,440
they're exploring further out this

1917
01:09:57,669 --> 01:09:55,040
season in their show which i thought was

1918
01:09:59,590 --> 01:09:57,679
pretty cool too so um yeah again that's

1919
01:10:00,870 --> 01:09:59,600
my two cents on skinwalker ranch i don't

1920
01:10:03,030 --> 01:10:00,880
know if you guys want to add anything

1921
01:10:04,470 --> 01:10:03,040
else to that i would just say that like

1922
01:10:06,630 --> 01:10:04,480
as a metaphor

1923
01:10:08,550 --> 01:10:06,640
and people can take this literally if

1924
01:10:11,350 --> 01:10:08,560
they want to or not but it would be the

1925
01:10:13,669 --> 01:10:11,360
difference between like one generation

1926
01:10:17,110 --> 01:10:13,679
approaching the research more

1927
01:10:18,310 --> 01:10:17,120
with like ouija boards and another

1928
01:10:21,030 --> 01:10:18,320
generation

1929
01:10:21,750 --> 01:10:21,040
approaching it with like with science

1930
01:10:25,510 --> 01:10:21,760
and

1931
01:10:28,310 --> 01:10:25,520
different right

1932
01:10:30,390 --> 01:10:28,320
uh and and one approach is telling the

1933
01:10:32,229 --> 01:10:30,400
people involved what they're doing and

1934
01:10:33,830 --> 01:10:32,239
them all being on board and wanting to

1935
01:10:35,750 --> 01:10:33,840
do it and the other one is

1936
01:10:38,229 --> 01:10:35,760
not telling anybody and using people

1937
01:10:40,149 --> 01:10:38,239
like guinea pigs which is also different

1938
01:10:42,149 --> 01:10:40,159
and so there are a lot of questions that

1939
01:10:43,189 --> 01:10:42,159
i have about previous the previous era

1940
01:10:44,950 --> 01:10:43,199
as well

1941
01:10:47,270 --> 01:10:44,960
that you know we don't have to get into

1942
01:10:49,350 --> 01:10:47,280
but it it you know it does make me

1943
01:10:51,030 --> 01:10:49,360
question the intentions of the original

1944
01:10:52,709 --> 01:10:51,040
program and what they were trying to do

1945
01:10:56,390 --> 01:10:52,719
but i do feel like what

1946
01:10:59,189 --> 01:10:56,400
what uh brandon's trying to do now is is

1947
01:11:00,950 --> 01:10:59,199
on the right track and it is surprising

1948
01:11:03,830 --> 01:11:00,960
that that travis is there and that he

1949
01:11:06,470 --> 01:11:03,840
was on the uap task force and everything

1950
01:11:08,149 --> 01:11:06,480
i have of course i just did the onion

1951
01:11:09,990 --> 01:11:08,159
i'll say

1952
01:11:11,990 --> 01:11:10,000
i can say i probably knew about two

1953
01:11:13,350 --> 01:11:12,000
weeks before everyone else on that

1954
01:11:14,950 --> 01:11:13,360
that's it

1955
01:11:16,550 --> 01:11:14,960
i only knew about two weeks ahead and i

1956
01:11:18,630 --> 01:11:16,560
probably shouldn't have

1957
01:11:21,270 --> 01:11:18,640
i have here's how it played out in my

1958
01:11:23,750 --> 01:11:21,280
head he had one too many bourbons at

1959
01:11:25,910 --> 01:11:23,760
this disclosure event you both were at

1960
01:11:28,470 --> 01:11:25,920
and he just let it out to you and

1961
01:11:30,550 --> 01:11:28,480
chrissy and then you guys just had to

1962
01:11:32,630 --> 01:11:30,560
sit on it until uh it was announced

1963
01:11:33,830 --> 01:11:32,640
right is that is that exactly what

1964
01:11:35,750 --> 01:11:33,840
happened

1965
01:11:37,430 --> 01:11:35,760
close enough i'm just you know i'm just

1966
01:11:39,510 --> 01:11:37,440
i think that the like the bigelos

1967
01:11:41,830 --> 01:11:39,520
bigelow knows so much you know he does

1968
01:11:43,590 --> 01:11:41,840
and he has so much footage even just

1969
01:11:45,270 --> 01:11:43,600
from like the path of skinwalker like

1970
01:11:47,189 --> 01:11:45,280
those if you've read the book like

1971
01:11:50,550 --> 01:11:47,199
ripping out of the telephone

1972
01:11:52,229 --> 01:11:50,560
cords up on um that they actually were

1973
01:11:54,390 --> 01:11:52,239
filming and

1974
01:11:56,070 --> 01:11:54,400
they have no idea who ripped it out or

1975
01:11:58,470 --> 01:11:56,080
what ripped it out but they have that on

1976
01:12:00,709 --> 01:11:58,480
video and he won't release that like he

1977
01:12:02,149 --> 01:12:00,719
has so much stuff and they actually did

1978
01:12:04,149 --> 01:12:02,159
a lot of

1979
01:12:05,830 --> 01:12:04,159
a massive investigation he just you know

1980
01:12:08,229 --> 01:12:05,840
bigelow just has so much of it and he

1981
01:12:09,750 --> 01:12:08,239
won't let it go and i think he you know

1982
01:12:11,350 --> 01:12:09,760
when i talk to george knapp george says

1983
01:12:13,270 --> 01:12:11,360
he probably never will because he

1984
01:12:16,070 --> 01:12:13,280
doesn't care about the general public

1985
01:12:17,830 --> 01:12:16,080
you know it's his research so that's sad

1986
01:12:19,430 --> 01:12:17,840
the only thing that i would say and i

1987
01:12:21,990 --> 01:12:19,440
talked to travis taylor about this as

1988
01:12:23,350 --> 01:12:22,000
well when i was in utah the only thing

1989
01:12:25,350 --> 01:12:23,360
i'll say is they're doing a lot of

1990
01:12:28,149 --> 01:12:25,360
research but the only criticism i have

1991
01:12:30,470 --> 01:12:28,159
is that the science is not as strong as

1992
01:12:33,189 --> 01:12:30,480
it could be for the fact that when they

1993
01:12:35,830 --> 01:12:33,199
had those llamas in the pen they had no

1994
01:12:37,910 --> 01:12:35,840
cameras on the actual pen they had them

1995
01:12:39,990 --> 01:12:37,920
from a distance so i asked travis about

1996
01:12:41,030 --> 01:12:40,000
that and i said you know it's really

1997
01:12:43,270 --> 01:12:41,040
it's challenging because if you're

1998
01:12:44,790 --> 01:12:43,280
looking to do science that's not proper

1999
01:12:46,950 --> 01:12:44,800
science because you're not having the

2000
01:12:48,950 --> 01:12:46,960
proper equipment and he agree he agreed

2001
01:12:50,310 --> 01:12:48,960
to that he said you know and i said you

2002
01:12:52,470 --> 01:12:50,320
should be putting the science team

2003
01:12:54,229 --> 01:12:52,480
involved in it not so much you know

2004
01:12:56,390 --> 01:12:54,239
prometheus the production company it

2005
01:12:58,229 --> 01:12:56,400
should be you doing it then if anything

2006
01:13:00,229 --> 01:12:58,239
i would i would keep saying that to

2007
01:13:02,149 --> 01:13:00,239
people that want to watch the show and

2008
01:13:04,630 --> 01:13:02,159
getting travis to have his own science

2009
01:13:05,990 --> 01:13:04,640
team um running it not so much the

2010
01:13:07,110 --> 01:13:06,000
production team because that's when

2011
01:13:08,870 --> 01:13:07,120
you're going to get different science

2012
01:13:10,790 --> 01:13:08,880
coming through so that's my only

2013
01:13:12,390 --> 01:13:10,800
criticism to that because

2014
01:13:13,750 --> 01:13:12,400
i think travis would agree and a lot of

2015
01:13:16,149 --> 01:13:13,760
other people would agree watching it

2016
01:13:19,350 --> 01:13:16,159
that do you know when you're doing that

2017
01:13:22,149 --> 01:13:19,360
much research you know you want the best

2018
01:13:23,270 --> 01:13:22,159
and highest quality possible right so

2019
01:13:24,709 --> 01:13:23,280
but you're right i'm glad that they're

2020
01:13:27,189 --> 01:13:24,719
actually doing something compared to

2021
01:13:29,430 --> 01:13:27,199
like bigelow not releasing anything from

2022
01:13:30,709 --> 01:13:29,440
the 90s unfortunately yeah and yes so

2023
01:13:32,070 --> 01:13:30,719
much material

2024
01:13:33,990 --> 01:13:32,080
i'll be honest with you some of the

2025
01:13:35,910 --> 01:13:34,000
stuff that i've shown that that brandon

2026
01:13:38,149 --> 01:13:35,920
and his team were doing that eric bard's

2027
01:13:40,229 --> 01:13:38,159
got going on there at skinwalker ranch

2028
01:13:41,110 --> 01:13:40,239
kind of it blew my mind it's pretty high

2029
01:13:43,669 --> 01:13:41,120
level

2030
01:13:46,390 --> 01:13:43,679
what they're doing to try and track and

2031
01:13:48,630 --> 01:13:46,400
pinpoint things down i think uh what

2032
01:13:52,229 --> 01:13:48,640
they do edit for the show

2033
01:13:55,110 --> 01:13:52,239
is just like the crust it's a thin slice

2034
01:13:57,830 --> 01:13:55,120
that has a story arc to it and like

2035
01:14:00,390 --> 01:13:57,840
honestly even the stuff that like

2036
01:14:03,590 --> 01:14:00,400
uh me and james and chris went and did

2037
01:14:05,669 --> 01:14:03,600
with half of the skinwalker team that i

2038
01:14:07,910 --> 01:14:05,679
was the only one i think that was even

2039
01:14:10,149 --> 01:14:07,920
filming anything i've been uploading on

2040
01:14:12,470 --> 01:14:10,159
my youtube channel and stuff anything

2041
01:14:13,350 --> 01:14:12,480
from that trip at all

2042
01:14:16,149 --> 01:14:13,360
and

2043
01:14:18,390 --> 01:14:16,159
it was like we did a ton for like a week

2044
01:14:21,030 --> 01:14:18,400
climbing all over that place and and it

2045
01:14:23,750 --> 01:14:21,040
was everybody was trying to find pieces

2046
01:14:25,669 --> 01:14:23,760
to the puzzle to that place to the ranch

2047
01:14:27,350 --> 01:14:25,679
and it didn't even have anything to do

2048
01:14:28,709 --> 01:14:27,360
with the show it had to do with finding

2049
01:14:31,110 --> 01:14:28,719
answers and so

2050
01:14:32,149 --> 01:14:31,120
yeah all of that is encouraging to me

2051
01:14:34,149 --> 01:14:32,159
yeah and i don't think they're going to

2052
01:14:35,750 --> 01:14:34,159
always wonder i always wonder when i get

2053
01:14:37,430 --> 01:14:35,760
brought into these places and i want to

2054
01:14:38,709 --> 01:14:37,440
make this clear

2055
01:14:41,590 --> 01:14:38,719
that like

2056
01:14:43,830 --> 01:14:41,600
i'm a very good useful idiot it's good

2057
01:14:45,030 --> 01:14:43,840
to bring somebody who has a big youtube

2058
01:14:47,830 --> 01:14:45,040
channel in

2059
01:14:50,310 --> 01:14:47,840
to be like to spot a ghost or to see a

2060
01:14:52,470 --> 01:14:50,320
ufo and to validate some location and to

2061
01:14:54,310 --> 01:14:52,480
shout it to the world you know and turn

2062
01:14:56,709 --> 01:14:54,320
around like a parrot and

2063
01:14:59,030 --> 01:14:56,719
bring everybody on my podcast and and

2064
01:14:59,830 --> 01:14:59,040
that's okay that i have that reputation

2065
01:15:02,310 --> 01:14:59,840
because

2066
01:15:03,750 --> 01:15:02,320
uh i make a lot of friends but

2067
01:15:06,229 --> 01:15:03,760
ultimately

2068
01:15:07,750 --> 01:15:06,239
uh the reputation that i want is don't

2069
01:15:10,229 --> 01:15:07,760
invite me over unless you want me to

2070
01:15:12,550 --> 01:15:10,239
find the truth and that's why what i

2071
01:15:13,990 --> 01:15:12,560
keep trying to push it at brandon's face

2072
01:15:14,870 --> 01:15:14,000
and everybody up there at skinwalker

2073
01:15:16,470 --> 01:15:14,880
ranch

2074
01:15:18,310 --> 01:15:16,480
and they just keep wanting us to come

2075
01:15:19,830 --> 01:15:18,320
back and keep working there so it's

2076
01:15:21,270 --> 01:15:19,840
encouraging to me

2077
01:15:24,709 --> 01:15:21,280
that's crazy

2078
01:15:26,470 --> 01:15:24,719
um well videos let's show one more video

2079
01:15:28,470 --> 01:15:26,480
and then guys if you have any questions

2080
01:15:30,310 --> 01:15:28,480
for carl about the mesa about his work

2081
01:15:32,229 --> 01:15:30,320
anything please throw it in the super

2082
01:15:33,910 --> 01:15:32,239
chat um he's willing to stick around for

2083
01:15:36,229 --> 01:15:33,920
a few minutes at least to answer those

2084
01:15:39,510 --> 01:15:36,239
for you uh so um yeah go ahead and put

2085
01:15:40,550 --> 01:15:39,520
those in the chat now but um you did go

2086
01:15:42,790 --> 01:15:40,560
to

2087
01:15:45,910 --> 01:15:42,800
the place the mecca for ufo people

2088
01:15:48,630 --> 01:15:45,920
besides maybe roswell area 51. you went

2089
01:15:50,870 --> 01:15:48,640
to groom lake uh i you saw your video

2090
01:15:54,550 --> 01:15:50,880
you went to the mailbox you hit all the

2091
01:15:57,669 --> 01:15:54,560
right spots man and what happens a

2092
01:15:59,910 --> 01:15:57,679
vlogger a youtuber captures ufo

2093
01:16:01,590 --> 01:15:59,920
phenomena i've gone there so many times

2094
01:16:04,630 --> 01:16:01,600
and i've never captured anything but of

2095
01:16:07,189 --> 01:16:04,640
course you got it so let's go ahead and

2096
01:16:09,910 --> 01:16:07,199
show some of the ufo video that you

2097
01:16:12,870 --> 01:16:09,920
caught over um groom lake this was

2098
01:16:16,470 --> 01:16:12,880
really interesting they're there

2099
01:16:20,070 --> 01:16:18,470
so this is in nevada guys yeah the three

2100
01:16:22,070 --> 01:16:20,080
lights yeah what is that what year was

2101
01:16:24,229 --> 01:16:22,080
this carl

2102
01:16:25,189 --> 01:16:24,239
oh geez because i went back and filmed

2103
01:16:27,270 --> 01:16:25,199
more

2104
01:16:28,709 --> 01:16:27,280
after this um

2105
01:16:30,950 --> 01:16:28,719
this was

2106
01:16:32,950 --> 01:16:30,960
i think like last october look at that

2107
01:16:33,830 --> 01:16:32,960
they're going up in the sky

2108
01:16:35,669 --> 01:16:33,840
yeah

2109
01:16:37,990 --> 01:16:35,679
this is right in the area where bob

2110
01:16:40,790 --> 01:16:38,000
lazar said that to look

2111
01:16:42,950 --> 01:16:40,800
to park and look to the south

2112
01:16:44,790 --> 01:16:42,960
what is that

2113
01:16:50,910 --> 01:16:44,800
was this on a friday i always hear the

2114
01:16:54,870 --> 01:16:53,110
[Music]

2115
01:16:58,390 --> 01:16:54,880
i think this i don't remember what night

2116
01:17:03,110 --> 01:17:00,310
yeah so i was on groomed lake road i

2117
01:17:05,510 --> 01:17:03,120
just adjusted uh filming

2118
01:17:07,510 --> 01:17:05,520
straight south over this whole valley

2119
01:17:11,030 --> 01:17:07,520
where there's just like nothing

2120
01:17:13,430 --> 01:17:11,040
ah wow oh i need to cover this light up

2121
01:17:15,590 --> 01:17:13,440
yeah and i think we have a little you

2122
01:17:17,270 --> 01:17:15,600
zoom in and do more of that sure what's

2123
01:17:20,070 --> 01:17:17,280
happening i'm gonna zoom back out so you

2124
01:17:21,669 --> 01:17:20,080
can see okay that's single zoom

2125
01:17:22,550 --> 01:17:21,679
okay now there's just a single light

2126
01:17:23,990 --> 01:17:22,560
again

2127
01:17:26,790 --> 01:17:24,000
i always try to narrate because

2128
01:17:28,149 --> 01:17:26,800
everybody criticizes like what cameron

2129
01:17:30,149 --> 01:17:28,159
what you know what

2130
01:17:31,830 --> 01:17:30,159
no yeah you did the right i'm like i'm

2131
01:17:36,070 --> 01:17:31,840
shaking sorry i'm shaking so i always

2132
01:17:40,870 --> 01:17:38,310
yeah so we get a little better look here

2133
01:17:46,470 --> 01:17:40,880
stationary oh this is weird here

2134
01:17:50,870 --> 01:17:48,950
this was before i owned night vision so

2135
01:17:52,709 --> 01:17:50,880
this was just with my cell phone and

2136
01:17:54,950 --> 01:17:52,719
then i have like a little scope that

2137
01:17:58,149 --> 01:17:54,960
attaches that like extends the field

2138
01:17:59,669 --> 01:17:58,159
like 16 times okay but with my normal

2139
01:18:01,110 --> 01:17:59,679
vision you know how it is like when you

2140
01:18:03,350 --> 01:18:01,120
try to take a picture of the moon it

2141
01:18:05,350 --> 01:18:03,360
just sucks like oh it's compared to what

2142
01:18:07,430 --> 01:18:05,360
you see with your own eyes every time

2143
01:18:09,830 --> 01:18:07,440
yeah yeah this thing looked huge in the

2144
01:18:13,030 --> 01:18:09,840
sky like like it was floating up and

2145
01:18:15,030 --> 01:18:13,040
rotating away from me

2146
01:18:18,070 --> 01:18:15,040
so i guess could you maybe give us a

2147
01:18:20,390 --> 01:18:18,080
little context carl like the setup of um

2148
01:18:22,070 --> 01:18:20,400
did you just happen to spot this as you

2149
01:18:24,149 --> 01:18:22,080
were waiting how long were you waiting

2150
01:18:26,390 --> 01:18:24,159
for something to show up i always loved

2151
01:18:28,470 --> 01:18:26,400
to hear kind of the story around the

2152
01:18:30,870 --> 01:18:28,480
video because i always get sent videos

2153
01:18:32,470 --> 01:18:30,880
and like you said um the story people

2154
01:18:34,149 --> 01:18:32,480
have to tell is extraordinary and then i

2155
01:18:36,070 --> 01:18:34,159
look at the video and i'm like it's the

2156
01:18:37,590 --> 01:18:36,080
moon it's a dot like

2157
01:18:40,390 --> 01:18:37,600
there that's why i think it's so

2158
01:18:43,189 --> 01:18:40,400
important to have witness testimony um

2159
01:18:45,590 --> 01:18:43,199
with a video so yeah maybe give us a

2160
01:18:48,470 --> 01:18:45,600
little of the backstory behind um you

2161
01:18:49,990 --> 01:18:48,480
know your your trip there and how you

2162
01:18:52,149 --> 01:18:50,000
were told and where you were told to

2163
01:18:53,910 --> 01:18:52,159
look and yeah what what you

2164
01:18:54,950 --> 01:18:53,920
thought and felt when you finally saw

2165
01:18:57,030 --> 01:18:54,960
something

2166
01:18:59,270 --> 01:18:57,040
yeah so i have a few different places

2167
01:19:01,430 --> 01:18:59,280
that i like to go just based on going

2168
01:19:02,870 --> 01:19:01,440
there and figuring out where stuff is in

2169
01:19:04,229 --> 01:19:02,880
line of sight because it's kind of hard

2170
01:19:06,229 --> 01:19:04,239
you can look on

2171
01:19:07,750 --> 01:19:06,239
like on google earth and try to plan it

2172
01:19:10,070 --> 01:19:07,760
out but until you get there you don't

2173
01:19:11,669 --> 01:19:10,080
realize like oh like i thought i could

2174
01:19:13,270 --> 01:19:11,679
park right here but it doesn't make

2175
01:19:15,350 --> 01:19:13,280
sense because there's like this big hill

2176
01:19:17,270 --> 01:19:15,360
in the way and i can't see anything

2177
01:19:19,669 --> 01:19:17,280
and so when you finally get there it

2178
01:19:20,709 --> 01:19:19,679
starts to make sense so one of the spots

2179
01:19:22,870 --> 01:19:20,719
is like

2180
01:19:25,110 --> 01:19:22,880
groom lake road on the east side of area

2181
01:19:27,110 --> 01:19:25,120
51 if you park there

2182
01:19:29,110 --> 01:19:27,120
after dark

2183
01:19:31,990 --> 01:19:29,120
and the sky is clear you can see all

2184
01:19:34,310 --> 01:19:32,000
kinds of weird stuff take off over the

2185
01:19:38,709 --> 01:19:34,320
west horizon over the mountains

2186
01:19:40,310 --> 01:19:38,719
if you see uh red lights appear on the

2187
01:19:42,070 --> 01:19:40,320
mountain range to the west that's

2188
01:19:44,229 --> 01:19:42,080
because they've got huge

2189
01:19:45,990 --> 01:19:44,239
like 50 caliber

2190
01:19:48,149 --> 01:19:46,000
thermal night vision

2191
01:19:49,669 --> 01:19:48,159
guns pointed at you

2192
01:19:51,990 --> 01:19:49,679
looking at you to see what you're doing

2193
01:19:54,790 --> 01:19:52,000
from the mountain range um but if you

2194
01:19:56,790 --> 01:19:54,800
look to the west there or to the south

2195
01:19:57,990 --> 01:19:56,800
from that road that is like a public

2196
01:19:59,430 --> 01:19:58,000
dirt road

2197
01:20:02,390 --> 01:19:59,440
i have had

2198
01:20:04,870 --> 01:20:02,400
uh area 51 security come up and point

2199
01:20:07,110 --> 01:20:04,880
their spotlights in my truck and kind of

2200
01:20:09,189 --> 01:20:07,120
bug me until i left and stuff

2201
01:20:10,550 --> 01:20:09,199
but you technically can park there and

2202
01:20:12,950 --> 01:20:10,560
look and if you so if you look to the

2203
01:20:14,070 --> 01:20:12,960
west and the south and up in the sky

2204
01:20:15,510 --> 01:20:14,080
you'll see

2205
01:20:16,950 --> 01:20:15,520
weird stuff a lot of it you have to

2206
01:20:18,390 --> 01:20:16,960
assume is you know

2207
01:20:21,189 --> 01:20:18,400
test flights

2208
01:20:23,430 --> 01:20:21,199
um so my plan was to go

2209
01:20:26,870 --> 01:20:23,440
film in the daytime because i'm you know

2210
01:20:29,030 --> 01:20:26,880
a filmmaker and so i go to groom lake

2211
01:20:31,750 --> 01:20:29,040
road and and then i go up to the black

2212
01:20:33,669 --> 01:20:31,760
mailbox and film there and look around

2213
01:20:35,110 --> 01:20:33,679
which is also a really great spot you

2214
01:20:36,550 --> 01:20:35,120
can see everything and all the way to

2215
01:20:38,229 --> 01:20:36,560
the south as well

2216
01:20:40,709 --> 01:20:38,239
but then you go up to rachel nevada

2217
01:20:42,870 --> 01:20:40,719
which is where the little alien is

2218
01:20:44,950 --> 01:20:42,880
and whenever i try to film in there i

2219
01:20:47,990 --> 01:20:44,960
get told to stop or kicked out

2220
01:20:49,910 --> 01:20:48,000
so i don't film inside just film outside

2221
01:20:51,430 --> 01:20:49,920
but there's a lot of cool stories about

2222
01:20:52,950 --> 01:20:51,440
that place too

2223
01:20:55,030 --> 01:20:52,960
now if you go

2224
01:20:57,030 --> 01:20:55,040
past on the main highway just on the

2225
01:20:59,430 --> 01:20:57,040
north side of the little alien if you go

2226
01:21:01,990 --> 01:20:59,440
past that to the west there are some

2227
01:21:05,110 --> 01:21:02,000
dirt roads where there's a north kind of

2228
01:21:07,750 --> 01:21:05,120
secret entrance into area 51 from there

2229
01:21:09,110 --> 01:21:07,760
and if you go down by the farmers

2230
01:21:11,270 --> 01:21:09,120
circles

2231
01:21:13,590 --> 01:21:11,280
on the dirt roads there

2232
01:21:16,070 --> 01:21:13,600
you can actually hear during the daytime

2233
01:21:18,390 --> 01:21:16,080
all of the top gun pilot training

2234
01:21:19,350 --> 01:21:18,400
sonic booms going off like all day you

2235
01:21:20,790 --> 01:21:19,360
can hear

2236
01:21:23,110 --> 01:21:20,800
you can't even see anything when you

2237
01:21:25,110 --> 01:21:23,120
look up in the sky you can see some i've

2238
01:21:27,110 --> 01:21:25,120
seen stealth bombers and different stuff

2239
01:21:29,189 --> 01:21:27,120
fly around

2240
01:21:31,350 --> 01:21:29,199
um but you can hear

2241
01:21:33,750 --> 01:21:31,360
all kinds of sonic booms and weird stuff

2242
01:21:35,430 --> 01:21:33,760
flying overhead that you can't even see

2243
01:21:36,709 --> 01:21:35,440
and at night there you can see a lot of

2244
01:21:38,390 --> 01:21:36,719
stuff too

2245
01:21:39,830 --> 01:21:38,400
so that was my whole plan was time to do

2246
01:21:40,870 --> 01:21:39,840
that whole loop

2247
01:21:43,030 --> 01:21:40,880
um

2248
01:21:45,430 --> 01:21:43,040
so the later when i've gone back i

2249
01:21:48,390 --> 01:21:45,440
filmed a lot of weird stuff in that spot

2250
01:21:51,270 --> 01:21:48,400
up west and north of area 51.

2251
01:21:53,030 --> 01:21:51,280
but this particular video i had gone up

2252
01:21:55,110 --> 01:21:53,040
to the little alien

2253
01:21:57,270 --> 01:21:55,120
and was headed back i'd stopped at the

2254
01:21:59,350 --> 01:21:57,280
black mailbox and not really seen

2255
01:22:01,270 --> 01:21:59,360
anything other than just satellites and

2256
01:22:03,590 --> 01:22:01,280
small stuff in the sky

2257
01:22:04,950 --> 01:22:03,600
and then i decided to park

2258
01:22:12,390 --> 01:22:04,960
at the

2259
01:22:13,590 --> 01:22:12,400
and the lights appeared and i hurried

2260
01:22:16,070 --> 01:22:13,600
and got my

2261
01:22:17,990 --> 01:22:16,080
the scope on my phone ready and uh and

2262
01:22:21,110 --> 01:22:18,000
then it like appeared again and i got it

2263
01:22:23,510 --> 01:22:21,120
again now they do do a lot of

2264
01:22:25,189 --> 01:22:23,520
bomber testing and test flight runs even

2265
01:22:29,350 --> 01:22:25,199
when the weather's bad they'll do like

2266
01:22:31,669 --> 01:22:29,360
ac130 and like uh warthog ground

2267
01:22:33,750 --> 01:22:31,679
uh targeting stuff so it could be some

2268
01:22:35,669 --> 01:22:33,760
kind of like ground

2269
01:22:37,910 --> 01:22:35,679
flare system that they were doing

2270
01:22:40,950 --> 01:22:37,920
targeting on i don't know but from my

2271
01:22:44,070 --> 01:22:40,960
perspective it looked like a huge

2272
01:22:45,830 --> 01:22:44,080
sideways craft that was rolling away

2273
01:22:48,629 --> 01:22:45,840
from me like a

2274
01:22:49,910 --> 01:22:48,639
like a disc that was going up in the sky

2275
01:22:53,990 --> 01:22:49,920
i don't know

2276
01:22:56,149 --> 01:22:54,000
that's what you're saying

2277
01:22:57,990 --> 01:22:56,159
any noise did he hear anything

2278
01:22:59,830 --> 01:22:58,000
no the wind was that was the other thing

2279
01:23:01,189 --> 01:22:59,840
is the wind was blowing like pretty hard

2280
01:23:02,629 --> 01:23:01,199
and so i didn't even get out of the

2281
01:23:03,750 --> 01:23:02,639
truck because i was filming through the

2282
01:23:07,910 --> 01:23:03,760
windshield

2283
01:23:10,149 --> 01:23:07,920
so now i couldn't hear anything it was

2284
01:23:12,149 --> 01:23:10,159
just the wind blowing

2285
01:23:15,189 --> 01:23:12,159
i had a similar experience down groom

2286
01:23:17,430 --> 01:23:15,199
lake when i went to area 51 too uh i was

2287
01:23:19,830 --> 01:23:17,440
yeah and well not in not inciting but

2288
01:23:21,590 --> 01:23:19,840
with the camos coming out and i think

2289
01:23:23,910 --> 01:23:21,600
that there's a sensor in the road so

2290
01:23:25,830 --> 01:23:23,920
what we realized was when we turned down

2291
01:23:27,110 --> 01:23:25,840
groom like there's that little mountain

2292
01:23:29,270 --> 01:23:27,120
in the distance you know what i'm

2293
01:23:30,550 --> 01:23:29,280
talking about carl and they set up there

2294
01:23:33,189 --> 01:23:30,560
with their truck

2295
01:23:35,270 --> 01:23:33,199
and once they once we turned right on

2296
01:23:36,950 --> 01:23:35,280
the road in the middle of the night like

2297
01:23:38,470 --> 01:23:36,960
well it was going to it was around like

2298
01:23:40,550 --> 01:23:38,480
6 00 p.m so it was

2299
01:23:42,790 --> 01:23:40,560
the sun was going down and so they put

2300
01:23:44,470 --> 01:23:42,800
their spotlight right on us and followed

2301
01:23:47,990 --> 01:23:44,480
us it's about 10 minutes to get to that

2302
01:23:49,750 --> 01:23:48,000
back gate at least and when they watched

2303
01:23:52,229 --> 01:23:49,760
us get closer they came off their little

2304
01:23:54,229 --> 01:23:52,239
hill and then were driving towards us so

2305
01:23:56,310 --> 01:23:54,239
we ran out and took some photos but yeah

2306
01:23:58,470 --> 01:23:56,320
we watched the camos come at us as well

2307
01:23:59,750 --> 01:23:58,480
so there i think that there's a sensor

2308
01:24:02,149 --> 01:23:59,760
in the ground

2309
01:24:04,550 --> 01:24:02,159
yeah definitely they have ground sensors

2310
01:24:07,830 --> 01:24:04,560
i've been out in the middle of uh

2311
01:24:10,550 --> 01:24:07,840
dry lake beds out there that are like 45

2312
01:24:12,310 --> 01:24:10,560
minutes away from area 51 in the middle

2313
01:24:14,390 --> 01:24:12,320
of nowhere and

2314
01:24:15,910 --> 01:24:14,400
there's like runway tracks from

2315
01:24:18,070 --> 01:24:15,920
airplanes and you don't know if it's

2316
01:24:20,470 --> 01:24:18,080
like drug cartels outside of vegas

2317
01:24:22,870 --> 01:24:20,480
dropping stuff you know possibly right

2318
01:24:25,350 --> 01:24:22,880
there is like big landing gear tracks

2319
01:24:26,629 --> 01:24:25,360
like from heavy planes landing and stuff

2320
01:24:28,709 --> 01:24:26,639
and i found

2321
01:24:30,790 --> 01:24:28,719
hatches and pipes that are locked with

2322
01:24:33,350 --> 01:24:30,800
solar panels on them like there's

2323
01:24:35,830 --> 01:24:33,360
underground entrances honestly when you

2324
01:24:37,669 --> 01:24:35,840
look like area 51

2325
01:24:38,550 --> 01:24:37,679
and just that

2326
01:24:41,430 --> 01:24:38,560
whole

2327
01:24:44,390 --> 01:24:41,440
base all the way to nellis to

2328
01:24:49,189 --> 01:24:44,400
indian springs all the way up to dugway

2329
01:24:52,229 --> 01:24:49,199
in in utah is all one huge system like

2330
01:24:53,030 --> 01:24:52,239
almost the whole state of nevada really

2331
01:24:54,470 --> 01:24:53,040
is

2332
01:24:57,270 --> 01:24:54,480
a base

2333
01:24:59,430 --> 01:24:57,280
and all the way up into part of utah and

2334
01:25:01,990 --> 01:24:59,440
the whole northern part of nevada is

2335
01:25:04,390 --> 01:25:02,000
just bombing ranges where they do

2336
01:25:06,709 --> 01:25:04,400
airplane bombing runs and stuff and

2337
01:25:09,030 --> 01:25:06,719
different flight tests and everything so

2338
01:25:09,750 --> 01:25:09,040
yeah the whole state is that's what it

2339
01:25:12,709 --> 01:25:09,760
is

2340
01:25:13,910 --> 01:25:12,719
crazy well i um i i got a quick story

2341
01:25:16,310 --> 01:25:13,920
for you guys i don't know if i've

2342
01:25:18,950 --> 01:25:16,320
actually ever shared this on the podcast

2343
01:25:21,830 --> 01:25:18,960
um so yeah i did a tv show where we went

2344
01:25:23,990 --> 01:25:21,840
to the gates of area 51 and you guys

2345
01:25:26,390 --> 01:25:24,000
know with television like things get

2346
01:25:27,590 --> 01:25:26,400
edited out that you wish didn't and this

2347
01:25:29,510 --> 01:25:27,600
was actually

2348
01:25:31,750 --> 01:25:29,520
one of those things that didn't make it

2349
01:25:33,750 --> 01:25:31,760
on air that um i was like how could you

2350
01:25:36,550 --> 01:25:33,760
not have put that in the show but again

2351
01:25:39,350 --> 01:25:36,560
i'm not an editor so it's not my job um

2352
01:25:41,750 --> 01:25:39,360
but i was with um a paranormal

2353
01:25:43,990 --> 01:25:41,760
investigator tracy austin and my

2354
01:25:46,229 --> 01:25:44,000
investigative partner jennifer marshall

2355
01:25:49,830 --> 01:25:46,239
and we're in our car heading towards the

2356
01:25:51,430 --> 01:25:49,840
gate and like you guys said um they they

2357
01:25:53,750 --> 01:25:51,440
have things in the ground they are

2358
01:25:56,070 --> 01:25:53,760
listening to you they are monitoring you

2359
01:25:58,310 --> 01:25:56,080
they can see you from miles and miles

2360
01:26:01,189 --> 01:25:58,320
away so i think we are about

2361
01:26:03,350 --> 01:26:01,199
i'm gonna say a good three four mile

2362
01:26:05,430 --> 01:26:03,360
still from the gate the back gate i

2363
01:26:06,870 --> 01:26:05,440
believe it was and um

2364
01:26:09,510 --> 01:26:06,880
we're driving

2365
01:26:12,390 --> 01:26:09,520
and we had walkie talk was it walkie

2366
01:26:14,470 --> 01:26:12,400
talkies yeah we had walkie talkies where

2367
01:26:16,790 --> 01:26:14,480
we had our crew behind us in a van you

2368
01:26:18,310 --> 01:26:16,800
know the camera guys and all that and

2369
01:26:20,229 --> 01:26:18,320
they're telling us like okay you guys

2370
01:26:22,790 --> 01:26:20,239
are getting a little closer like when we

2371
01:26:23,669 --> 01:26:22,800
get this far pull over we'll set up blah

2372
01:26:26,310 --> 01:26:23,679
blah blah

2373
01:26:27,830 --> 01:26:26,320
um so as we're driving

2374
01:26:31,110 --> 01:26:27,840
all of a sudden

2375
01:26:32,790 --> 01:26:31,120
all of the walkie-talkies go dead like

2376
01:26:35,110 --> 01:26:32,800
just completely dead they stopped

2377
01:26:37,669 --> 01:26:35,120
working we can't communicate so we're

2378
01:26:40,310 --> 01:26:37,679
like look i'm driving was i driving

2379
01:26:41,590 --> 01:26:40,320
no jennifer was driving and we all look

2380
01:26:44,470 --> 01:26:41,600
back and we're like what do we do and

2381
01:26:46,070 --> 01:26:44,480
they're like keep going keep going um

2382
01:26:47,030 --> 01:26:46,080
all the walkies go dead and then

2383
01:26:48,390 --> 01:26:47,040
jennifer

2384
01:26:50,629 --> 01:26:48,400
for some reason she's like i'm gonna

2385
01:26:52,950 --> 01:26:50,639
turn the radio on and see like if any

2386
01:26:54,950 --> 01:26:52,960
there's any interference so she turns

2387
01:26:57,270 --> 01:26:54,960
the radio on to the am

2388
01:26:59,510 --> 01:26:57,280
and i'm not kidding you out of nowhere

2389
01:27:02,709 --> 01:26:59,520
it's just this voice

2390
01:27:05,990 --> 01:27:02,719
and it's saying it's reading our license

2391
01:27:06,990 --> 01:27:06,000
plate back to us over the radio yeah so

2392
01:27:09,669 --> 01:27:07,000
it's like

2393
01:27:12,790 --> 01:27:09,679
g4h23 coming up on the east gate or

2394
01:27:13,750 --> 01:27:12,800
whatever southgate um two miles out and

2395
01:27:15,590 --> 01:27:13,760
we're like

2396
01:27:17,990 --> 01:27:15,600
well that's not our crew that's not our

2397
01:27:20,229 --> 01:27:18,000
director they're not messing with us it

2398
01:27:21,510 --> 01:27:20,239
was literally what i believe was base

2399
01:27:24,470 --> 01:27:21,520
security

2400
01:27:26,470 --> 01:27:24,480
somehow got onto our radio and was

2401
01:27:28,629 --> 01:27:26,480
reading our license plate back to us and

2402
01:27:31,830 --> 01:27:28,639
i took it as a message like we know

2403
01:27:33,669 --> 01:27:31,840
you're here we know you're coming and uh

2404
01:27:35,750 --> 01:27:33,679
like you guys said it might have just

2405
01:27:37,750 --> 01:27:35,760
been like camo dudes messing with us

2406
01:27:39,910 --> 01:27:37,760
what else are they gonna do for like a

2407
01:27:42,149 --> 01:27:39,920
12-hour shift they love messing with

2408
01:27:44,629 --> 01:27:42,159
these people they talk yeah

2409
01:27:46,790 --> 01:27:44,639
and i was so scared i like turned as

2410
01:27:49,189 --> 01:27:46,800
white as a ghost i'm like shaking

2411
01:27:50,709 --> 01:27:49,199
jennifer for me navy vet is like ryan

2412
01:27:52,709 --> 01:27:50,719
condom calm down

2413
01:27:55,189 --> 01:27:52,719
and it was just like i'm like how did

2414
01:27:57,189 --> 01:27:55,199
that not make it into the show but um

2415
01:27:58,390 --> 01:27:57,199
that was my experience towards the gate

2416
01:28:00,870 --> 01:27:58,400
was uh

2417
01:28:02,790 --> 01:28:00,880
possibly base security

2418
01:28:04,310 --> 01:28:02,800
reading my license plate back to me and

2419
01:28:05,510 --> 01:28:04,320
that was enough for me to be like okay

2420
01:28:06,709 --> 01:28:05,520
all right that's as close as we're

2421
01:28:08,149 --> 01:28:06,719
getting that's close

2422
01:28:09,990 --> 01:28:08,159
seriously

2423
01:28:11,910 --> 01:28:10,000
somebody in there is like they know your

2424
01:28:14,550 --> 01:28:11,920
name and they're like he was born on

2425
01:28:16,390 --> 01:28:14,560
this day yes oh he's a leo happy

2426
01:28:17,510 --> 01:28:16,400
birthday i think let's send them a

2427
01:28:19,910 --> 01:28:17,520
message

2428
01:28:21,830 --> 01:28:19,920
let's read back his browser history from

2429
01:28:25,590 --> 01:28:21,840
last week oh god please no that's the

2430
01:28:30,470 --> 01:28:27,510
oh man well that was that was such a

2431
01:28:32,870 --> 01:28:30,480
cool video carl again like very few

2432
01:28:34,870 --> 01:28:32,880
actually go to area 51 and see

2433
01:28:36,950 --> 01:28:34,880
something anomalous like you said there

2434
01:28:38,149 --> 01:28:36,960
are test flights all the time could this

2435
01:28:39,910 --> 01:28:38,159
have been something like that yeah of

2436
01:28:42,550 --> 01:28:39,920
course of course but it was pretty

2437
01:28:44,229 --> 01:28:42,560
interesting i'm not going to lie um so

2438
01:28:46,149 --> 01:28:44,239
what do you think do you think it was

2439
01:28:48,070 --> 01:28:46,159
top secret tech was this

2440
01:28:50,390 --> 01:28:48,080
or that was this the reverse engineer

2441
01:28:53,030 --> 01:28:50,400
craft lazar talked about like what do

2442
01:28:54,470 --> 01:28:53,040
you think it was even uh i'm of the

2443
01:28:57,110 --> 01:28:54,480
mindset

2444
01:29:01,189 --> 01:28:57,120
and that even if it is some kind of a

2445
01:29:03,590 --> 01:29:01,199
ground targeting flare system it is a

2446
01:29:04,550 --> 01:29:03,600
secret unknown ground targeting flare

2447
01:29:08,310 --> 01:29:04,560
system

2448
01:29:11,669 --> 01:29:08,320
so it is still some unknown uh secret

2449
01:29:14,550 --> 01:29:11,679
uh system that they have but what i

2450
01:29:18,390 --> 01:29:14,560
saw and how it was moving from

2451
01:29:20,950 --> 01:29:18,400
what looked like uh low in the valley up

2452
01:29:24,390 --> 01:29:20,960
in the sky and the size of it

2453
01:29:27,430 --> 01:29:24,400
how it was moving up um and not affected

2454
01:29:29,990 --> 01:29:27,440
by the high winds and the shifting winds

2455
01:29:32,550 --> 01:29:30,000
the whole thing to me was really strange

2456
01:29:34,790 --> 01:29:32,560
you know i'm skeptical open-minded to it

2457
01:29:36,950 --> 01:29:34,800
just being flares i know that they just

2458
01:29:39,189 --> 01:29:36,960
do testing stuff so you know obviously

2459
01:29:41,350 --> 01:29:39,199
it could have just been testing it could

2460
01:29:44,229 --> 01:29:41,360
be some kind of projection equipment i

2461
01:29:46,470 --> 01:29:44,239
don't know but to me it looked like a it

2462
01:29:49,750 --> 01:29:46,480
was like a classic

2463
01:29:50,830 --> 01:29:49,760
sighting you know like seeing some big

2464
01:29:52,550 --> 01:29:50,840
sort of

2465
01:29:54,790 --> 01:29:52,560
weird

2466
01:29:57,750 --> 01:29:54,800
inverted saucer shaped thing sort of

2467
01:30:00,629 --> 01:29:57,760
glowing and rotating away from me and

2468
01:30:03,030 --> 01:30:00,639
i walked into the little alien and

2469
01:30:05,910 --> 01:30:03,040
looked at pictures on the wall of

2470
01:30:08,950 --> 01:30:05,920
glowing looking ufo craft that looked

2471
01:30:10,870 --> 01:30:08,960
very similar but you know i've also had

2472
01:30:12,550 --> 01:30:10,880
you know friends and heard reports and

2473
01:30:13,990 --> 01:30:12,560
stuff that say if we knew what was

2474
01:30:16,149 --> 01:30:14,000
actually flying around and what we were

2475
01:30:17,750 --> 01:30:16,159
testing out there it would answer a lot

2476
01:30:19,030 --> 01:30:17,760
of our questions so i think it's kind of

2477
01:30:20,629 --> 01:30:19,040
a mixed bag

2478
01:30:23,270 --> 01:30:20,639
i'm of the belief that there's a mixed

2479
01:30:24,070 --> 01:30:23,280
bag between actual phenomena

2480
01:30:25,990 --> 01:30:24,080
other

2481
01:30:27,990 --> 01:30:26,000
entities and craft whether it be time

2482
01:30:30,629 --> 01:30:28,000
travel stuff or from

2483
01:30:31,350 --> 01:30:30,639
advanced entities from another dimension

2484
01:30:34,790 --> 01:30:31,360
or

2485
01:30:36,950 --> 01:30:34,800
whatever

2486
01:30:39,030 --> 01:30:36,960
i don't know um

2487
01:30:41,189 --> 01:30:39,040
but i'm open-minded to all of it even

2488
01:30:43,350 --> 01:30:41,199
our connection with it and what

2489
01:30:45,830 --> 01:30:43,360
has to do with us and and our

2490
01:30:48,229 --> 01:30:45,840
perceptions of reality and how they can

2491
01:30:51,030 --> 01:30:48,239
seem to mess with that too yeah

2492
01:30:53,669 --> 01:30:51,040
absolutely um well on a personal level

2493
01:30:55,830 --> 01:30:53,679
what do you think of lazar do you buy

2494
01:30:58,149 --> 01:30:55,840
into this guy's story i mean it changes

2495
01:31:00,790 --> 01:30:58,159
for me every day it's the most bipolar

2496
01:31:02,790 --> 01:31:00,800
thing in this entire ufo topic

2497
01:31:04,629 --> 01:31:02,800
um yeah what do you think brilliant do

2498
01:31:06,709 --> 01:31:04,639
you have any personal opinions on him or

2499
01:31:08,950 --> 01:31:06,719
what he's brought forward or what george

2500
01:31:11,189 --> 01:31:08,960
knapp has brought forward jeremy corbell

2501
01:31:12,870 --> 01:31:11,199
um yeah what what are your honest

2502
01:31:14,830 --> 01:31:12,880
thoughts and opinions on bob lazar if

2503
01:31:16,550 --> 01:31:14,840
you're willing to share put you on the

2504
01:31:19,590 --> 01:31:16,560
spot

2505
01:31:22,070 --> 01:31:19,600
i don't know bob um i think

2506
01:31:24,390 --> 01:31:22,080
i think a lot of what he has

2507
01:31:26,149 --> 01:31:24,400
done and what i think the team is doing

2508
01:31:27,830 --> 01:31:26,159
what they're doing is compelling and

2509
01:31:29,350 --> 01:31:27,840
really interesting and has opened a lot

2510
01:31:30,790 --> 01:31:29,360
of people's minds

2511
01:31:32,629 --> 01:31:30,800
around the possibilities and the

2512
01:31:34,709 --> 01:31:32,639
questions but i really don't know if

2513
01:31:36,709 --> 01:31:34,719
it's valid or not i have just as many

2514
01:31:38,390 --> 01:31:36,719
skeptical questions around some of the

2515
01:31:41,189 --> 01:31:38,400
programs and the

2516
01:31:43,669 --> 01:31:41,199
the characters and people involved like

2517
01:31:46,070 --> 01:31:43,679
why is it that a lot of these people who

2518
01:31:47,350 --> 01:31:46,080
are so interested in this topic at a

2519
01:31:48,229 --> 01:31:47,360
high level

2520
01:31:50,149 --> 01:31:48,239
from

2521
01:31:52,470 --> 01:31:50,159
you know revolving around skinwalker

2522
01:31:54,709 --> 01:31:52,480
ranch the bigelow era

2523
01:31:57,750 --> 01:31:54,719
uh

2524
01:31:59,510 --> 01:31:57,760
yeah all that group lazar everybody kind

2525
01:32:01,750 --> 01:31:59,520
of the whole when you connect all the

2526
01:32:03,110 --> 01:32:01,760
dots a lot of the big players why were

2527
01:32:05,189 --> 01:32:03,120
they

2528
01:32:07,669 --> 01:32:05,199
really in the early days like laser

2529
01:32:09,510 --> 01:32:07,679
satellite physicists they were building

2530
01:32:12,310 --> 01:32:09,520
laser communication systems and

2531
01:32:14,950 --> 01:32:12,320
satellite systems and stuff and bigelow

2532
01:32:17,270 --> 01:32:14,960
owns a satellite company and almost like

2533
01:32:18,470 --> 01:32:17,280
so i'm always like skeptical too like

2534
01:32:20,470 --> 01:32:18,480
are they

2535
01:32:22,310 --> 01:32:20,480
trying to use that because they're

2536
01:32:24,629 --> 01:32:22,320
they're the same people that started the

2537
01:32:26,709 --> 01:32:24,639
stanford research institute programs for

2538
01:32:28,709 --> 01:32:26,719
remote viewing and telepathy to spy on

2539
01:32:31,750 --> 01:32:28,719
the russians so are they trying to

2540
01:32:33,510 --> 01:32:31,760
amplify human consciousness with

2541
01:32:35,990 --> 01:32:33,520
lasers and satellites or are they trying

2542
01:32:37,910 --> 01:32:36,000
to read people's minds is there some

2543
01:32:39,750 --> 01:32:37,920
other layer to this they don't want us

2544
01:32:41,990 --> 01:32:39,760
to know and that's why the bigelow era

2545
01:32:42,950 --> 01:32:42,000
has been sealed all this time

2546
01:32:47,030 --> 01:32:42,960
so

2547
01:32:49,510 --> 01:32:47,040
that involvement like bob lazar and

2548
01:32:52,390 --> 01:32:49,520
and how that all came out and some of

2549
01:32:56,310 --> 01:32:52,400
that is still really questionable to me

2550
01:32:59,110 --> 01:32:56,320
and so i don't know but uh

2551
01:33:01,110 --> 01:32:59,120
i don't know i would say stay skeptical

2552
01:33:03,110 --> 01:33:01,120
and open-minded and everything and just

2553
01:33:04,070 --> 01:33:03,120
do this is why i'm so compelled to do my

2554
01:33:06,470 --> 01:33:04,080
own work

2555
01:33:08,310 --> 01:33:06,480
a lot to go out and look for myself

2556
01:33:10,470 --> 01:33:08,320
to meet people for myself to keep an

2557
01:33:12,390 --> 01:33:10,480
open mind i'll get hyped about stuff

2558
01:33:14,790 --> 01:33:12,400
sometimes but then when you dig into it

2559
01:33:16,870 --> 01:33:14,800
you're like ah man it's not it's not

2560
01:33:18,149 --> 01:33:16,880
real and you get mad you know yeah

2561
01:33:19,750 --> 01:33:18,159
that's the name of the game and you

2562
01:33:21,110 --> 01:33:19,760
gotta buckle up if you're gonna get into

2563
01:33:23,510 --> 01:33:21,120
this kind of work it's kind of like that

2564
01:33:25,510 --> 01:33:23,520
but i don't know i think bob lazar is

2565
01:33:27,910 --> 01:33:25,520
very interesting

2566
01:33:29,830 --> 01:33:27,920
but i right now i have too many weird

2567
01:33:31,910 --> 01:33:29,840
questions about

2568
01:33:33,590 --> 01:33:31,920
some of the some of it some of the story

2569
01:33:35,430 --> 01:33:33,600
and the character attributes around the

2570
01:33:37,669 --> 01:33:35,440
integrity of it all

2571
01:33:39,030 --> 01:33:37,679
absolutely yeah i think again it'll be

2572
01:33:41,270 --> 01:33:39,040
it's part of

2573
01:33:43,350 --> 01:33:41,280
uh the mythology now and that's kind of

2574
01:33:45,510 --> 01:33:43,360
where i think it stands same one things

2575
01:33:47,189 --> 01:33:45,520
like roswell and like will we ever truly

2576
01:33:49,110 --> 01:33:47,199
know if lazar was telling the truth i

2577
01:33:51,669 --> 01:33:49,120
don't know uh what crashing rajo i don't

2578
01:33:53,990 --> 01:33:51,679
know but um it's a part of the history

2579
01:33:56,950 --> 01:33:54,000
and you can't deny that and it's shaped

2580
01:33:59,110 --> 01:33:56,960
and molded what ufology has become today

2581
01:34:01,110 --> 01:33:59,120
whether we like it or not so

2582
01:34:03,510 --> 01:34:01,120
yeah it is what it is but i think what

2583
01:34:05,510 --> 01:34:03,520
you said i don't know is probably the

2584
01:34:07,510 --> 01:34:05,520
best answer anyone could give when it

2585
01:34:09,430 --> 01:34:07,520
comes to all of this

2586
01:34:12,070 --> 01:34:09,440
anyone who pretends to have the answers

2587
01:34:13,110 --> 01:34:12,080
that's who i say run away as fast as you

2588
01:34:14,629 --> 01:34:13,120
can

2589
01:34:17,430 --> 01:34:14,639
because

2590
01:34:19,750 --> 01:34:17,440
anyone who has the ego to say they know

2591
01:34:22,229 --> 01:34:19,760
the answers to this is not somebody i

2592
01:34:24,470 --> 01:34:22,239
personally would want to work with or be

2593
01:34:26,470 --> 01:34:24,480
involved with because i don't think

2594
01:34:28,390 --> 01:34:26,480
we're ever truly going to know what

2595
01:34:30,390 --> 01:34:28,400
happened you know at the mesa what's

2596
01:34:33,030 --> 01:34:30,400
happening on skinwalker ranch what

2597
01:34:35,189 --> 01:34:33,040
crashed in roswell um i think these

2598
01:34:37,030 --> 01:34:35,199
things are part of the journey and it's

2599
01:34:39,830 --> 01:34:37,040
what makes life interesting and makes

2600
01:34:41,189 --> 01:34:39,840
these pursuits we the three of us do uh

2601
01:34:43,030 --> 01:34:41,199
in my opinion

2602
01:34:44,149 --> 01:34:43,040
worth it i i don't think i want the

2603
01:34:46,470 --> 01:34:44,159
answers they're either going to be

2604
01:34:49,109 --> 01:34:46,480
depressing they're going to be too scary

2605
01:34:51,109 --> 01:34:49,119
or somewhere in between but um yeah i

2606
01:34:52,950 --> 01:34:51,119
love that's why i look like i met you

2607
01:34:55,430 --> 01:34:52,960
two who become really good friends

2608
01:34:57,189 --> 01:34:55,440
through just these topics and that's

2609
01:34:58,310 --> 01:34:57,199
enough for me personally that's enough

2610
01:35:00,790 --> 01:34:58,320
for me

2611
01:35:02,629 --> 01:35:00,800
yeah and i think if we when we decide or

2612
01:35:04,390 --> 01:35:02,639
at some point we maybe figure it

2613
01:35:06,790 --> 01:35:04,400
something that we're never even gonna

2614
01:35:08,390 --> 01:35:06,800
know or thought of before i really do

2615
01:35:11,109 --> 01:35:08,400
feel that you know it's

2616
01:35:12,390 --> 01:35:11,119
we only know what we know and it you

2617
01:35:14,229 --> 01:35:12,400
know and

2618
01:35:15,910 --> 01:35:14,239
and that's the thing you know we start

2619
01:35:18,470 --> 01:35:15,920
hopefully potentially getting smarter as

2620
01:35:19,990 --> 01:35:18,480
we grow and evolve as a species but i

2621
01:35:21,510 --> 01:35:20,000
think it's going to take a really long

2622
01:35:23,830 --> 01:35:21,520
time and i don't think i'm going to be

2623
01:35:25,750 --> 01:35:23,840
alive for the time we figure it out but

2624
01:35:27,510 --> 01:35:25,760
it doesn't mean that generations to come

2625
01:35:29,910 --> 01:35:27,520
won't listen to other podcasts or

2626
01:35:31,750 --> 01:35:29,920
everybody's work and say hey and there's

2627
01:35:33,750 --> 01:35:31,760
so much more of it than there's ever

2628
01:35:35,990 --> 01:35:33,760
been from around the world and people

2629
01:35:37,590 --> 01:35:36,000
interconnecting and solving mysteries

2630
01:35:40,070 --> 01:35:37,600
together and creating relationships and

2631
01:35:41,510 --> 01:35:40,080
friendships so i agree that's just as

2632
01:35:43,350 --> 01:35:41,520
important as it is to solving the

2633
01:35:45,270 --> 01:35:43,360
mystery but i think that the work that

2634
01:35:47,030 --> 01:35:45,280
everybody's doing now collectively and

2635
01:35:49,430 --> 01:35:47,040
putting it on youtube or just sharing it

2636
01:35:51,270 --> 01:35:49,440
writing books podcasts like can you

2637
01:35:53,350 --> 01:35:51,280
imagine if that was done 75 years ago

2638
01:35:59,990 --> 01:35:53,360
where we'd be it'd be unbelievable i

2639
01:36:03,109 --> 01:36:01,750
so this is like a whole new generation

2640
01:36:04,950 --> 01:36:03,119
that's just giving research which i

2641
01:36:06,790 --> 01:36:04,960
think is lovely because then when we're

2642
01:36:08,629 --> 01:36:06,800
passed they're going to look at it and

2643
01:36:10,390 --> 01:36:08,639
be like well we had this base to start

2644
01:36:12,390 --> 01:36:10,400
from and even more and now look at the

2645
01:36:13,590 --> 01:36:12,400
type of technology we have to use this

2646
01:36:14,709 --> 01:36:13,600
you know it's not just night vision

2647
01:36:16,149 --> 01:36:14,719
anymore

2648
01:36:18,229 --> 01:36:16,159
so

2649
01:36:20,229 --> 01:36:18,239
and like we've been talking about people

2650
01:36:23,030 --> 01:36:20,239
have to i think if they really want

2651
01:36:25,430 --> 01:36:23,040
disclosure they can't be picky about it

2652
01:36:27,669 --> 01:36:25,440
they have to be willing to also swallow

2653
01:36:29,270 --> 01:36:27,679
the jagged pills along with the ones

2654
01:36:31,750 --> 01:36:29,280
that they're hoping for because

2655
01:36:32,950 --> 01:36:31,760
everybody you know at a certain aspect

2656
01:36:35,270 --> 01:36:32,960
is hoping

2657
01:36:37,189 --> 01:36:35,280
with a bias that like

2658
01:36:39,750 --> 01:36:37,199
what will come out what will be found

2659
01:36:41,669 --> 01:36:39,760
what will get disclosed or revealed will

2660
01:36:42,950 --> 01:36:41,679
fit in line with what they think and

2661
01:36:45,350 --> 01:36:42,960
what they're hoping and that it will be

2662
01:36:46,629 --> 01:36:45,360
good for everybody you know in a way

2663
01:36:48,390 --> 01:36:46,639
um but

2664
01:36:49,350 --> 01:36:48,400
ultimately some of the answers are going

2665
01:36:52,310 --> 01:36:49,360
to be

2666
01:36:54,470 --> 01:36:52,320
uh maybe like you can't dig on the ranch

2667
01:36:56,070 --> 01:36:54,480
because an old lady owns the mineral

2668
01:36:58,709 --> 01:36:56,080
rights there and so you can't go below

2669
01:37:00,950 --> 01:36:58,719
in 20 feet well that's a bummer that's

2670
01:37:03,590 --> 01:37:00,960
not because of like skinwalker

2671
01:37:06,310 --> 01:37:03,600
hitchhiker phenomena it's some other

2672
01:37:07,430 --> 01:37:06,320
very mundane answer and some of those

2673
01:37:09,510 --> 01:37:07,440
are going to be

2674
01:37:12,229 --> 01:37:09,520
things like that maybe in the bigelow

2675
01:37:15,270 --> 01:37:12,239
files that are a huge letdown but in

2676
01:37:17,189 --> 01:37:15,280
there if you if we look deep enough

2677
01:37:19,990 --> 01:37:17,199
there is a reason

2678
01:37:21,750 --> 01:37:20,000
you know that travis taylor was planted

2679
01:37:24,470 --> 01:37:21,760
for like five years without anybody

2680
01:37:26,550 --> 01:37:24,480
knowing at the ranch and why

2681
01:37:28,790 --> 01:37:26,560
the research is still going on there and

2682
01:37:30,629 --> 01:37:28,800
why there's still other stuff happening

2683
01:37:32,870 --> 01:37:30,639
because even through all of that

2684
01:37:35,590 --> 01:37:32,880
sometimes research is really

2685
01:37:36,629 --> 01:37:35,600
messy and sometimes it's unethical but

2686
01:37:38,070 --> 01:37:36,639
hopefully

2687
01:37:39,510 --> 01:37:38,080
now like you guys are saying with

2688
01:37:41,990 --> 01:37:39,520
everybody working together and with the

2689
01:37:44,950 --> 01:37:42,000
internet and with it being public

2690
01:37:47,669 --> 01:37:44,960
that can all change and the integrity

2691
01:37:49,910 --> 01:37:47,679
can come forward and we can start to

2692
01:37:52,149 --> 01:37:49,920
swallow the tough pills and

2693
01:37:53,830 --> 01:37:52,159
face this stuff that as a real bummer to

2694
01:37:56,870 --> 01:37:53,840
realize oh it's just headlights or it's

2695
01:37:59,109 --> 01:37:56,880
just this really dumb mundane answer

2696
01:38:00,550 --> 01:37:59,119
uh or whatever the reports were all

2697
01:38:02,390 --> 01:38:00,560
coming from this guy that was an

2698
01:38:04,790 --> 01:38:02,400
alcoholic or something

2699
01:38:06,550 --> 01:38:04,800
okay so then we can finally rest tonight

2700
01:38:09,189 --> 01:38:06,560
about all these stories

2701
01:38:10,470 --> 01:38:09,199
but what about this you know what is the

2702
01:38:12,310 --> 01:38:10,480
part of it that's compelling because

2703
01:38:14,550 --> 01:38:12,320
this is what always gets me

2704
01:38:16,550 --> 01:38:14,560
is out of like all of the ufo sightings

2705
01:38:19,030 --> 01:38:16,560
and these paranormal events only one of

2706
01:38:20,790 --> 01:38:19,040
them has to be true for it to be

2707
01:38:23,270 --> 01:38:20,800
interesting to me

2708
01:38:25,030 --> 01:38:23,280
only one ufo sighting or abduction

2709
01:38:27,030 --> 01:38:25,040
encounter or something

2710
01:38:29,430 --> 01:38:27,040
has to be real in order for it to be a

2711
01:38:31,030 --> 01:38:29,440
real thing only one

2712
01:38:32,790 --> 01:38:31,040
you know and so out of all of it it's

2713
01:38:35,350 --> 01:38:32,800
just a matter of sifting through it just

2714
01:38:38,470 --> 01:38:35,360
like trying to come to the invention of

2715
01:38:40,149 --> 01:38:38,480
the working light bulbs like how many

2716
01:38:42,229 --> 01:38:40,159
do you have to go through until you find

2717
01:38:43,990 --> 01:38:42,239
the one that finally clicks you know so

2718
01:38:45,109 --> 01:38:44,000
you just have to be willing to face it

2719
01:38:48,390 --> 01:38:45,119
you know

2720
01:38:50,629 --> 01:38:48,400
um walk walk the path until you find the

2721
01:38:52,629 --> 01:38:50,639
answers and with every answer just comes

2722
01:38:54,470 --> 01:38:52,639
with even more questions and so just got

2723
01:38:55,750 --> 01:38:54,480
to go for it that's got to be part of

2724
01:38:57,830 --> 01:38:55,760
the fun right

2725
01:38:58,950 --> 01:38:57,840
that's part of the fun is that that's

2726
01:39:00,310 --> 01:38:58,960
why we're joking like it's like

2727
01:39:02,870 --> 01:39:00,320
scooby-doo

2728
01:39:04,470 --> 01:39:02,880
the whole time even as a kid you're like

2729
01:39:06,229 --> 01:39:04,480
you get into it and then when they pull

2730
01:39:08,870 --> 01:39:06,239
the mask off you're like man it was just

2731
01:39:10,870 --> 01:39:08,880
like old man thompson down the road but

2732
01:39:12,470 --> 01:39:10,880
ultimately there's a satisfaction in

2733
01:39:14,870 --> 01:39:12,480
knowing the truth too and we have to be

2734
01:39:17,189 --> 01:39:14,880
willing to accept that as well yep and

2735
01:39:19,590 --> 01:39:17,199
there's always a next episode of

2736
01:39:21,350 --> 01:39:19,600
scooby-doo right yeah

2737
01:39:22,790 --> 01:39:21,360
keep going right yeah

2738
01:39:25,109 --> 01:39:22,800
i just want to um i want to take a

2739
01:39:28,070 --> 01:39:25,119
moment to thank mark and warlock for the

2740
01:39:30,070 --> 01:39:28,080
super chats guys very kind of view um

2741
01:39:32,070 --> 01:39:30,080
well i can't think of a better way to

2742
01:39:34,390 --> 01:39:32,080
kind of start wrapping things up carl

2743
01:39:37,270 --> 01:39:34,400
and chrissy you guys have given me so

2744
01:39:39,189 --> 01:39:37,280
much of your time but um before we go

2745
01:39:41,590 --> 01:39:39,199
chrissy do you have any last questions

2746
01:39:42,709 --> 01:39:41,600
for carl um that we didn't get to in

2747
01:39:44,870 --> 01:39:42,719
terms of anything

2748
01:39:46,070 --> 01:39:44,880
or skin walker or anything i'm good i'm

2749
01:39:47,830 --> 01:39:46,080
just excited to see what you're going to

2750
01:39:51,189 --> 01:39:47,840
do next carl and we'll be planning a

2751
01:39:54,229 --> 01:39:51,199
trip to uh in nevada shortly

2752
01:39:56,950 --> 01:39:54,239
that's my question carl i wouldn't

2753
01:39:58,550 --> 01:39:56,960
yeah exactly what is next carl

2754
01:40:01,109 --> 01:39:58,560
i have a ton of stuff i'm still going

2755
01:40:02,709 --> 01:40:01,119
back to the valley at the magic mesa

2756
01:40:04,709 --> 01:40:02,719
there maybe we'll change the name for

2757
01:40:07,030 --> 01:40:04,719
magic mesa it's still magical we'll call

2758
01:40:09,510 --> 01:40:07,040
maybe the magic valley i don't know

2759
01:40:11,350 --> 01:40:09,520
we'll figure it out we'll adapt as we go

2760
01:40:13,990 --> 01:40:11,360
you know i'm still we're talking with

2761
01:40:16,629 --> 01:40:14,000
you know brandon fugle working with

2762
01:40:17,669 --> 01:40:16,639
james keenan and stuff on other projects

2763
01:40:20,070 --> 01:40:17,679
and things

2764
01:40:21,669 --> 01:40:20,080
i'm doing a lot more expanded research

2765
01:40:23,910 --> 01:40:21,679
on kind of the

2766
01:40:26,070 --> 01:40:23,920
the oral traditions that have to do with

2767
01:40:28,870 --> 01:40:26,080
the core of the petroglyphs specifically

2768
01:40:31,510 --> 01:40:28,880
there's a lot of legends and i get told

2769
01:40:33,510 --> 01:40:31,520
a lot about like giants they're the

2770
01:40:35,510 --> 01:40:33,520
folklore and the legends of giants being

2771
01:40:37,430 --> 01:40:35,520
buried i've had people call me on the

2772
01:40:40,550 --> 01:40:37,440
phone and tell me they found

2773
01:40:43,109 --> 01:40:40,560
bones of like 14 foot tall bodies that

2774
01:40:45,669 --> 01:40:43,119
come and get taken off their property

2775
01:40:48,229 --> 01:40:45,679
and stuff and so i'm really fascinated

2776
01:40:50,390 --> 01:40:48,239
with all of it i don't really care what

2777
01:40:52,790 --> 01:40:50,400
mystery it is it's all really intriguing

2778
01:40:54,470 --> 01:40:52,800
how it connects to me so yeah i'm doing

2779
01:40:56,790 --> 01:40:54,480
that hopefully some more stuff up at

2780
01:40:59,510 --> 01:40:56,800
skinwalker ranch and from there but

2781
01:41:02,149 --> 01:40:59,520
um lately i'm still

2782
01:41:04,629 --> 01:41:02,159
just now editing and uploading footage

2783
01:41:07,030 --> 01:41:04,639
from when i first got up to the basin

2784
01:41:08,550 --> 01:41:07,040
like two weeks ago so i'm still catching

2785
01:41:10,629 --> 01:41:08,560
up on all the

2786
01:41:13,030 --> 01:41:10,639
backlog of video footage that i've got

2787
01:41:15,270 --> 01:41:13,040
so it'll still take me like another

2788
01:41:16,390 --> 01:41:15,280
week or so to catch up but it's it's

2789
01:41:19,430 --> 01:41:16,400
being good

2790
01:41:21,350 --> 01:41:19,440
nice nice man well um please tell us

2791
01:41:24,149 --> 01:41:21,360
before we go where can we find the

2792
01:41:25,750 --> 01:41:24,159
youtube channel the podcast and yeah

2793
01:41:27,750 --> 01:41:25,760
everything you're up to

2794
01:41:29,990 --> 01:41:27,760
yeah so uh the main youtube channel is

2795
01:41:32,870 --> 01:41:30,000
just called carl the crusher and then on

2796
01:41:34,709 --> 01:41:32,880
the podcast is carl vibe so if you type

2797
01:41:36,709 --> 01:41:34,719
that into youtube or whatever you'll

2798
01:41:38,629 --> 01:41:36,719
find me and then i'm yeah on twitter

2799
01:41:39,830 --> 01:41:38,639
tick tock uh

2800
01:41:41,430 --> 01:41:39,840
instagram

2801
01:41:43,990 --> 01:41:41,440
all over the place

2802
01:41:45,430 --> 01:41:44,000
awesome and well this has been like a

2803
01:41:47,109 --> 01:41:45,440
long time coming i've been waiting to

2804
01:41:49,910 --> 01:41:47,119
talk to you for a while and i'm glad we

2805
01:41:52,149 --> 01:41:49,920
had something really cool to talk about

2806
01:41:54,070 --> 01:41:52,159
and i'm glad you were able to solve this

2807
01:41:57,189 --> 01:41:54,080
mystery or at least a part of the

2808
01:41:58,950 --> 01:41:57,199
mystery i think a lot of people were um

2809
01:42:01,109 --> 01:41:58,960
really excited to figure out what this

2810
01:42:03,189 --> 01:42:01,119
was and that you had an answer which is

2811
01:42:05,669 --> 01:42:03,199
something we don't get in this field

2812
01:42:08,310 --> 01:42:05,679
often and you have to be willing to

2813
01:42:10,470 --> 01:42:08,320
accept those answers when they come put

2814
01:42:11,990 --> 01:42:10,480
your beliefs aside and follow the facts

2815
01:42:13,830 --> 01:42:12,000
where they lead and that's what you and

2816
01:42:16,870 --> 01:42:13,840
your team did and that's why i truly

2817
01:42:18,390 --> 01:42:16,880
respect that you didn't stretch it out

2818
01:42:19,830 --> 01:42:18,400
for like you know

2819
01:42:22,390 --> 01:42:19,840
50

2820
01:42:24,070 --> 01:42:22,400
youtube videos or a documentary you said

2821
01:42:26,629 --> 01:42:24,080
i think i know what this was so the

2822
01:42:28,390 --> 01:42:26,639
public deserves to know that and we

2823
01:42:31,910 --> 01:42:28,400
appreciate that i hope you know that

2824
01:42:34,070 --> 01:42:31,920
that um this was a cool cool thing um it

2825
01:42:37,590 --> 01:42:34,080
was a fleeting moment in the grand

2826
01:42:39,030 --> 01:42:37,600
scheme of mystery in utah and uh it's

2827
01:42:41,350 --> 01:42:39,040
because of you man that we now know what

2828
01:42:43,350 --> 01:42:41,360
it what happened so thank you thanks

2829
01:42:45,350 --> 01:42:43,360
yeah and that is yeah it's just all part

2830
01:42:47,030 --> 01:42:45,360
of it just to to go after it and go

2831
01:42:49,270 --> 01:42:47,040
after the truth and not have your ego

2832
01:42:51,990 --> 01:42:49,280
hung up on it and it is okay to have

2833
01:42:54,550 --> 01:42:52,000
your beliefs intact just to don't have

2834
01:42:55,590 --> 01:42:54,560
your ego more intact when the truth

2835
01:42:57,510 --> 01:42:55,600
actually

2836
01:43:00,310 --> 01:42:57,520
hits you in the face and you realize it

2837
01:43:02,550 --> 01:43:00,320
like that should be part of the fun too

2838
01:43:04,950 --> 01:43:02,560
you gotta be able to laugh at it and

2839
01:43:06,550 --> 01:43:04,960
realize like oh man like and chase it

2840
01:43:07,669 --> 01:43:06,560
down if you're gonna investigate it

2841
01:43:10,149 --> 01:43:07,679
you've gotta

2842
01:43:12,390 --> 01:43:10,159
be willing to be wrong a lot until you

2843
01:43:14,470 --> 01:43:12,400
find the actual answer that's you don't

2844
01:43:16,310 --> 01:43:14,480
know the answer until you're wrong like

2845
01:43:19,270 --> 01:43:16,320
a dozen times you know and that's part

2846
01:43:21,270 --> 01:43:19,280
of it and you have to enjoy that or

2847
01:43:23,590 --> 01:43:21,280
and enjoy the mystery or it's just going

2848
01:43:25,910 --> 01:43:23,600
to frustrate you and make you angry but

2849
01:43:28,149 --> 01:43:25,920
yeah i still i still am addicted to all

2850
01:43:30,390 --> 01:43:28,159
of it i still have had

2851
01:43:33,109 --> 01:43:30,400
way more unusual

2852
01:43:34,070 --> 01:43:33,119
strange unexplainable experiences than i

2853
01:43:36,229 --> 01:43:34,080
have

2854
01:43:38,790 --> 01:43:36,239
ones that i've just been able to like

2855
01:43:39,990 --> 01:43:38,800
debunk in some of these locations and so

2856
01:43:41,830 --> 01:43:40,000
i'm still

2857
01:43:43,590 --> 01:43:41,840
very on the hook and curious about what

2858
01:43:45,750 --> 01:43:43,600
the heck is going on

2859
01:43:47,189 --> 01:43:45,760
uh in some of these spots for sure

2860
01:43:49,350 --> 01:43:47,199
nice well we're gonna have to have you

2861
01:43:51,189 --> 01:43:49,360
come back to share more of those stories

2862
01:43:53,669 --> 01:43:51,199
man but i'm gonna hang out with chrissy

2863
01:43:56,390 --> 01:43:53,679
here for just a moment a couple moments

2864
01:43:58,149 --> 01:43:56,400
to debrief but again i gotta thank you

2865
01:44:01,109 --> 01:43:58,159
for your time tonight for providing the

2866
01:44:02,709 --> 01:44:01,119
videos to us to show and uh again for

2867
01:44:05,430 --> 01:44:02,719
coming on summer in the skies for the

2868
01:44:07,189 --> 01:44:05,440
very first time it truly was a pleasure

2869
01:44:08,550 --> 01:44:07,199
you bet we'll do it again and you guys

2870
01:44:09,350 --> 01:44:08,560
got to come onto my show too it'll be

2871
01:44:10,310 --> 01:44:09,360
fun

2872
01:44:13,030 --> 01:44:10,320
100

2873
01:44:14,870 --> 01:44:13,040
yeah i'm there we're there for sure

2874
01:44:17,669 --> 01:44:14,880
awesome brother have a great night we'll

2875
01:44:20,070 --> 01:44:17,679
talk to you soon you too thanks bye bye

2876
01:44:22,310 --> 01:44:20,080
girl

2877
01:44:24,149 --> 01:44:22,320
wow he's so great

2878
01:44:26,390 --> 01:44:24,159
what'd you think i've you know like i

2879
01:44:28,310 --> 01:44:26,400
was all day i'm like racking my brain

2880
01:44:29,430 --> 01:44:28,320
like i have so many questions but i

2881
01:44:31,990 --> 01:44:29,440
don't know

2882
01:44:33,990 --> 01:44:32,000
like what to cover what not to cover i

2883
01:44:37,030 --> 01:44:34,000
know he's gonna reveal a lot more in his

2884
01:44:38,950 --> 01:44:37,040
videos to come but um yeah what do you

2885
01:44:41,990 --> 01:44:38,960
what do you think of the answer to the

2886
01:44:43,910 --> 01:44:42,000
mystery at the mesa i'm not i the

2887
01:44:45,830 --> 01:44:43,920
headlight part i'm like i guess i never

2888
01:44:48,390 --> 01:44:45,840
i would never have thought about that to

2889
01:44:50,390 --> 01:44:48,400
be honest but i'm glad that he went down

2890
01:44:52,310 --> 01:44:50,400
that road and i'm glad that he said like

2891
01:44:54,310 --> 01:44:52,320
where was he positioned and they tried a

2892
01:44:56,550 --> 01:44:54,320
whole bunch of different other areas

2893
01:44:58,950 --> 01:44:56,560
again like i'm just curious to see what

2894
01:45:01,510 --> 01:44:58,960
dr travis taylor would say about that

2895
01:45:03,030 --> 01:45:01,520
and then how is the same thing that's

2896
01:45:05,189 --> 01:45:03,040
happening and him

2897
01:45:07,270 --> 01:45:05,199
uh using the same kind of i guess

2898
01:45:08,629 --> 01:45:07,280
research that carl did at skinwalker to

2899
01:45:10,070 --> 01:45:08,639
see if that's the case as well because

2900
01:45:11,430 --> 01:45:10,080
it's happened the exact same thing is

2901
01:45:13,830 --> 01:45:11,440
happening in skinwalker it's happening

2902
01:45:15,350 --> 01:45:13,840
all over the basement so it so totally

2903
01:45:17,030 --> 01:45:15,360
can possibly make sense that that's what

2904
01:45:18,709 --> 01:45:17,040
it is and you know and it seems like

2905
01:45:22,390 --> 01:45:18,719
such a simple answer but sometimes the

2906
01:45:24,709 --> 01:45:22,400
simplest answer is the most plausible so

2907
01:45:26,229 --> 01:45:24,719
yep i'm like i'm i'm excited that he did

2908
01:45:28,310 --> 01:45:26,239
it and spending time with carl was

2909
01:45:29,669 --> 01:45:28,320
really great he's just a good human and

2910
01:45:31,109 --> 01:45:29,679
you know and he cares you can tell he

2911
01:45:32,709 --> 01:45:31,119
cares a lot about the truth and i think

2912
01:45:34,709 --> 01:45:32,719
that's one of the most important parts

2913
01:45:36,310 --> 01:45:34,719
of being a researcher is that you're

2914
01:45:38,709 --> 01:45:36,320
open-minded and you're looking for the

2915
01:45:40,070 --> 01:45:38,719
truth consistently right so i like that

2916
01:45:41,830 --> 01:45:40,080
and i like that he keeps saying that too

2917
01:45:44,310 --> 01:45:41,840
because i think it's really important it

2918
01:45:45,830 --> 01:45:44,320
is it is you know the truth and again

2919
01:45:48,870 --> 01:45:45,840
facts don't have feelings they don't

2920
01:45:51,030 --> 01:45:48,880
care where your beliefs are and um

2921
01:45:52,470 --> 01:45:51,040
uh you know ever since i first saw carl

2922
01:45:54,709 --> 01:45:52,480
i think it was on the

2923
01:45:56,470 --> 01:45:54,719
unidentified celebrity review i just

2924
01:45:58,470 --> 01:45:56,480
knew i'm like this is a good this is a

2925
01:46:02,070 --> 01:45:58,480
good dude like he's he's got that

2926
01:46:04,950 --> 01:46:02,080
passion and the hunger and um to look at

2927
01:46:06,629 --> 01:46:04,960
these mysteries and uh and to find the

2928
01:46:07,910 --> 01:46:06,639
real answers no matter what those

2929
01:46:09,510 --> 01:46:07,920
answers might be

2930
01:46:11,669 --> 01:46:09,520
and i think that's awesome and i think

2931
01:46:14,870 --> 01:46:11,679
that's why people like brandon fugo are

2932
01:46:17,270 --> 01:46:14,880
like yeah come to the ranch man like you

2933
01:46:19,510 --> 01:46:17,280
you did that you did that on your own

2934
01:46:22,709 --> 01:46:19,520
like that investigation like we could

2935
01:46:24,870 --> 01:46:22,719
use those resources and minds like yours

2936
01:46:26,709 --> 01:46:24,880
um to do that sort of thing and james

2937
01:46:29,030 --> 01:46:26,719
keenan too i think that was a name he

2938
01:46:30,790 --> 01:46:29,040
brought up a few times tonight uh james

2939
01:46:32,870 --> 01:46:30,800
i've worked with james as well on an

2940
01:46:35,830 --> 01:46:32,880
investigation that i was doing out in

2941
01:46:38,149 --> 01:46:35,840
arizona and um another person another

2942
01:46:40,229 --> 01:46:38,159
individual who's just looking for the

2943
01:46:42,390 --> 01:46:40,239
truth and has done the homework and the

2944
01:46:45,189 --> 01:46:42,400
research and looked at the history of

2945
01:46:47,510 --> 01:46:45,199
the areas you know i was totally blind

2946
01:46:50,950 --> 01:46:47,520
when i went into this investigation that

2947
01:46:52,390 --> 01:46:50,960
i did with james and uh and jennifer my

2948
01:46:55,430 --> 01:46:52,400
my investigative partner over there

2949
01:46:58,870 --> 01:46:55,440
mysteries decoded and um they were there

2950
01:47:01,270 --> 01:46:58,880
to like school me very quickly mind you

2951
01:47:03,669 --> 01:47:01,280
and uh catch me up to what was going on

2952
01:47:06,070 --> 01:47:03,679
so um i think it's awesome i think

2953
01:47:08,629 --> 01:47:06,080
carl's really surrounded himself with a

2954
01:47:11,030 --> 01:47:08,639
good crew of people who um

2955
01:47:13,350 --> 01:47:11,040
aren't just gonna let what blind frog

2956
01:47:15,669 --> 01:47:13,360
ranch or skinwalker ranch say on

2957
01:47:17,510 --> 01:47:15,679
television be the final conclusion to

2958
01:47:20,149 --> 01:47:17,520
these things because

2959
01:47:21,830 --> 01:47:20,159
the basin is huge utah is huge there's a

2960
01:47:24,070 --> 01:47:21,840
lot of things going on and there's a lot

2961
01:47:26,550 --> 01:47:24,080
of voices that need to be heard not just

2962
01:47:27,830 --> 01:47:26,560
these two television shows right 100 and

2963
01:47:29,350 --> 01:47:27,840
i think they're like the massive

2964
01:47:30,950 --> 01:47:29,360
indigenous conversation is really

2965
01:47:33,510 --> 01:47:30,960
important you know one thing that skin

2966
01:47:35,109 --> 01:47:33,520
walker ranch doesn't doesn't do is show

2967
01:47:36,629 --> 01:47:35,119
that indigenous side as much as they

2968
01:47:39,030 --> 01:47:36,639
could so it's nice when you have other

2969
01:47:41,270 --> 01:47:39,040
people that are you know doing their own

2970
01:47:43,590 --> 01:47:41,280
research and listening and echoing the

2971
01:47:45,910 --> 01:47:43,600
voices or giving the indigenous

2972
01:47:47,350 --> 01:47:45,920
community respect outside of just a

2973
01:47:49,030 --> 01:47:47,360
voice they're giving them the respect

2974
01:47:51,030 --> 01:47:49,040
because when i was there that was one of

2975
01:47:52,310 --> 01:47:51,040
the most important things that they said

2976
01:47:54,070 --> 01:47:52,320
it's like you know we don't just want to

2977
01:47:55,590 --> 01:47:54,080
be heard we want to be respected and i

2978
01:47:57,669 --> 01:47:55,600
think that that's really important and

2979
01:47:59,109 --> 01:47:57,679
carl's you know shedding a light on that

2980
01:48:01,270 --> 01:47:59,119
and then also looking at the

2981
01:48:02,629 --> 01:48:01,280
revolutionary science too and looking at

2982
01:48:04,310 --> 01:48:02,639
meditation and different forms of

2983
01:48:06,950 --> 01:48:04,320
spirituality which i think is an

2984
01:48:09,350 --> 01:48:06,960
interesting and suggested you know most

2985
01:48:11,350 --> 01:48:09,360
scientists that are mainstream wouldn't

2986
01:48:12,950 --> 01:48:11,360
do that but you can always look at

2987
01:48:15,030 --> 01:48:12,960
science and have another opinion and be

2988
01:48:17,109 --> 01:48:15,040
open-minded to it because you never know

2989
01:48:19,030 --> 01:48:17,119
right we're at a place before that ufos

2990
01:48:20,470 --> 01:48:19,040
weren't real and now the government says

2991
01:48:22,390 --> 01:48:20,480
they are so

2992
01:48:24,550 --> 01:48:22,400
i think being open-minded is the most

2993
01:48:26,070 --> 01:48:24,560
important thing that we see here so it's

2994
01:48:28,310 --> 01:48:26,080
great and i'm glad he's doing his work

2995
01:48:30,149 --> 01:48:28,320
and he's a civilian so it's nice and

2996
01:48:32,790 --> 01:48:30,159
civilians can do work and he's showing

2997
01:48:35,669 --> 01:48:32,800
that so again they can do good work

2998
01:48:37,750 --> 01:48:35,679
really damn good work for sure um well

2999
01:48:38,470 --> 01:48:37,760
speaking of good work chrissy before we

3000
01:48:40,310 --> 01:48:38,480
go

3001
01:48:41,510 --> 01:48:40,320
what are you up to this is the first

3002
01:48:42,550 --> 01:48:41,520
time i've caught up with you in a while

3003
01:48:44,709 --> 01:48:42,560
you've been

3004
01:48:46,229 --> 01:48:44,719
just globe trotting all over the place

3005
01:48:47,910 --> 01:48:46,239
i'm getting ready to move to another

3006
01:48:49,669 --> 01:48:47,920
freaking country i know you don't have

3007
01:48:51,350 --> 01:48:49,679
any time to catch up

3008
01:48:52,870 --> 01:48:51,360
thank you i know i'm making it free i am

3009
01:48:54,629 --> 01:48:52,880
i'm excited for you to go to europe and

3010
01:48:56,709 --> 01:48:54,639
you're going to be in scotland so you

3011
01:48:59,510 --> 01:48:56,719
better give us updates on nessie

3012
01:49:02,070 --> 01:48:59,520
we want nessie updates oh yes photos and

3013
01:49:03,830 --> 01:49:02,080
messy updates i see photos and updates

3014
01:49:05,510 --> 01:49:03,840
and you bet your ass you and carl are

3015
01:49:08,229 --> 01:49:05,520
gonna make it over there at some point

3016
01:49:10,229 --> 01:49:08,239
and we'll uh we'll get out there but um

3017
01:49:12,149 --> 01:49:10,239
what are you up to what's coming up next

3018
01:49:14,550 --> 01:49:12,159
over at the deep brief and with your

3019
01:49:16,870 --> 01:49:14,560
work with rebelliously curious yeah let

3020
01:49:19,030 --> 01:49:16,880
us know what's going on yeah i'm looking

3021
01:49:20,310 --> 01:49:19,040
at talking to someone at nasa that's

3022
01:49:22,149 --> 01:49:20,320
going to be on some some work that

3023
01:49:24,550 --> 01:49:22,159
they're doing not uap related more of

3024
01:49:26,550 --> 01:49:24,560
their some internal work so i'm booking

3025
01:49:28,070 --> 01:49:26,560
that right now and then just micah hanks

3026
01:49:29,669 --> 01:49:28,080
and i who is the editor-in-chief of the

3027
01:49:32,470 --> 01:49:29,679
debrief he also has the micah hanks

3028
01:49:35,350 --> 01:49:32,480
program podcast we went out for 10 days

3029
01:49:37,830 --> 01:49:35,360
so we'll be doing some snippets on um on

3030
01:49:40,390 --> 01:49:37,840
our debrief uh website as well of just

3031
01:49:42,390 --> 01:49:40,400
our trip and he talks a little bit about

3032
01:49:44,229 --> 01:49:42,400
in his podcast as well that he recently

3033
01:49:46,390 --> 01:49:44,239
did and i have some snippets on my

3034
01:49:49,270 --> 01:49:46,400
recent podcast that i did with uh george

3035
01:49:51,030 --> 01:49:49,280
knapp and dr colin kolager

3036
01:49:53,430 --> 01:49:51,040
that are from i did the research for

3037
01:49:55,910 --> 01:49:53,440
nids the institute of um oh my god the

3038
01:49:58,310 --> 01:49:55,920
national institute of oh my gosh

3039
01:50:00,709 --> 01:49:58,320
government science very good chrissy

3040
01:50:03,750 --> 01:50:00,719
acronym of discovery science in the 90s

3041
01:50:05,669 --> 01:50:03,760
so uh more to that i'll probably look to

3042
01:50:07,030 --> 01:50:05,679
uh have some other more ufo related

3043
01:50:08,550 --> 01:50:07,040
people on the podcast i don't want to

3044
01:50:10,470 --> 01:50:08,560
say who yet because i'm still booking

3045
01:50:13,270 --> 01:50:10,480
them but lots of good stuff in the in

3046
01:50:15,430 --> 01:50:13,280
the making so yeah awesome

3047
01:50:17,510 --> 01:50:15,440
yeah oh i can't wait i can't wait and of

3048
01:50:19,189 --> 01:50:17,520
course guys you can catch chrissy here

3049
01:50:21,189 --> 01:50:19,199
on somewhere in the skies

3050
01:50:23,430 --> 01:50:21,199
as well wherever you get your podcasts

3051
01:50:25,669 --> 01:50:23,440
if you're not subscribed to the channel

3052
01:50:28,149 --> 01:50:25,679
right here that you're watching on um

3053
01:50:30,070 --> 01:50:28,159
please subscribe below like the video

3054
01:50:31,830 --> 01:50:30,080
share it um i know a lot of people are

3055
01:50:33,990 --> 01:50:31,840
going to be really interesting to hear

3056
01:50:36,149 --> 01:50:34,000
carl's explanations to what was the

3057
01:50:37,910 --> 01:50:36,159
mystery at the mesa so yeah please share

3058
01:50:39,750 --> 01:50:37,920
this with everyone you know check out

3059
01:50:43,189 --> 01:50:39,760
carl his youtube channel carl the

3060
01:50:45,830 --> 01:50:43,199
crusher and um podcast carl vibe as well

3061
01:50:48,629 --> 01:50:45,840
please be sure to check those out and uh

3062
01:50:50,310 --> 01:50:48,639
other than that uh i'm just going to say

3063
01:50:51,990 --> 01:50:50,320
good night and thank you to everyone for

3064
01:50:54,229 --> 01:50:52,000
tuning in guys thanks for sticking with

3065
01:50:55,830 --> 01:50:54,239
us for almost two hours this is one of

3066
01:50:56,950 --> 01:50:55,840
our longer episodes of summer in the

3067
01:50:59,510 --> 01:50:56,960
skies but

3068
01:51:02,070 --> 01:50:59,520
absolutely absolutely well worth it and

3069
01:51:03,990 --> 01:51:02,080
um yeah you can check out the audio

3070
01:51:05,669 --> 01:51:04,000
version of this that will be coming to

3071
01:51:07,910 --> 01:51:05,679
you this upcoming monday as well on the

3072
01:51:10,709 --> 01:51:07,920
summer in the skies podcast and we will

3073
01:51:13,430 --> 01:51:10,719
have carl back on as the investigation

3074
01:51:14,149 --> 01:51:13,440
continues out there in utah and beyond

3075
01:51:16,870 --> 01:51:14,159
so

3076
01:51:18,950 --> 01:51:16,880
with nothing else other than our mantra

3077
01:51:21,430 --> 01:51:18,960
to leave you guys with keep your feet on

3078
01:51:23,589 --> 01:51:21,440
the ground but never stop searching

3079
01:51:25,880 --> 01:51:23,599
somewhere in the skies chrissy thank you

3080
01:51:35,270 --> 01:51:25,890
and thank you to everyone else

3081
01:51:40,010 --> 01:51:38,149
this is somewhere in the skies with ryan